Reserve Financial Political Speech for real person voters in the US electorate

Continuing the discussion from Overturning Citizens United and Redefining Money as Speech: The Money is Not Speech Act (MINSA):

I agree with the legal reasoning behind Citizens United. I think it is good law. I think we should handle corporate interference in elections by a different, and I believe stronger, simpler to enforce (legally speaking), mechanism.

We declare (through election law) that the right to financial contributions intended to directly affect the outcome of any election in the United States (political activity/speech) is reserved exclusively for the US voter.

The government derives its just powers from the people, and is ultimately answerable to them, and no one else.

I believe that idea is the fundamental pretext behind laws against election interference and campaign finance violations. The people (real voting persons) have the sole authority to shape their government.

Corporations cannot be registered voters, neither can foreign citizens, and neither can any other “non-person” entity foreign or domestic. If it can’t vote on the ballot of the election it is impacting, by consequence of this principle, it can’t have speech on that election because it has no authority/standing to speak on the topic.

This framework is easy to test and therefore easy to enforce from a legal perspective. It seems to execute the “right spirit” that restrictions on election speech of this type are attempting to enforce.

It provides a good legal framework for anyone to fairly easily reason through what would be legal and illegal. All speech must ultimately be derived from a voter with the authority to speak.

If contributions to said speech can not be linked to the bank accounts (or other contribution method) of a specific voter, or set of voters, from which the authority to utter said speech is derived, than it is illegal speech.

This principle would also prevent money from outside a municipality, who can not vote on said municipality’s ballot item, from financially contributing to directly affect the outcome of that election. This would also prevent using money from a voter in one state to elect an officer, governor, senator, or house representative in another state because that voter is not eligible to vote on that ballot item.

I believe stopping outsiders from interfering with local elections is fundamentally the same concept as stopping foreign powers from influencing our national US elections.

This seems to me a solid “axiomatic principle” for how to shape election finance and campaign speech. Exceptions and refinements are likely needed.

The core idea is that influence over US elections is reserved for registered real persons who have the authority to speak in that election to alter their government.

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Your proposal for addressing campaign finance through limiting contributions to individual voters and capping individual donations while also suggesting public funding to level the playing field introduces several considerations:

Public Funding as Equalizer: Your idea of public funding is aimed at ensuring that candidates with substantial grassroots support but limited financial resources can still compete effectively. This approach could theoretically reduce the influence of wealthy donors and special interest groups by providing a base level of funding for all candidates, thereby fostering a more democratic process where the ability to raise funds isn’t the primary determinant of electoral success.

Cap on Campaign Spending: Capping the total campaign spending as you suggest could indeed prevent wealthier candidates or those with access to significant financial support from simply outspending their opponents. This measure would theoretically encourage campaigns to focus more on policy and public engagement rather than on who can spend more on advertising and outreach.

Disagreements with Citizens United: Your argument regarding Citizens United differs from mainstream criticisms in that you don’t entirely dispute the legal reasoning but seek to redefine the scope of who or what can contribute to political campaigns based on voting rights. This approach hinges on the idea that only entities with a direct stake (voting rights) in the election should influence it financially.

Potential Issues and Considerations:

  • Enforcement: Determining the source of every dollar spent on political speech could be complex and potentially infringe on privacy or free speech if not carefully crafted.

  • Legal Challenges: Your proposal could face significant legal challenges on First Amendment grounds, where political spending is often seen as a form of speech, especially post-Citizens United.

  • Practical Implementation: The logistics of ensuring all contributions are traceable to individual voters could be daunting, requiring sophisticated financial tracking systems and potentially invasive monitoring of financial transactions.

  • Public Funding Limitations: While theoretically equitable, public funding could become a contentious issue regarding how much public money should be allocated, who qualifies to receive it, and whether it would truly level the playing field or if wealthier candidates could still find ways to outspend.

  • Effectiveness: There’s a debate on how effective spending caps would be. Wealthy individuals or entities might find ways to influence elections indirectly through issue advocacy or other means not technically classified as campaign spending.

Refinement Needed: As you noted, this framework would require exceptions and refinements. Defining what constitutes “speech related to elections” could become contentious. For example, would this affect independent expenditures not coordinated with campaigns? How would this apply to non-profit organizations or media outlets?

Conclusion: Your approach offers a novel perspective by linking financial contributions directly to voting rights, aiming to preserve the democratic principle that government should reflect the will of the people, not money. However, the practical implementation and legal ramifications would need careful consideration to ensure it doesn’t inadvertently suppress legitimate speech or become unenforceable. The discussion on campaign finance reform is indeed complex, requiring solutions that balance democratic ideals with constitutional rights, and your proposal contributes to this vital conversation.

Thank you for the thoughtful response!

Some clarifications:

  1. Public Funding - I was intending to suggest the exact opposite I believe; that the only “legitimate dollars” spendable on election influence must be derived from a voter (or at least a voting eligible US citizen, but with access to the voting rolls online, a voter is easier to test for). So a corporate funded special interest group could not contribute because the SIG organization itself is not, and cannot be, a voter, and funds sourcing the SIG come from corporations which also cannot be voters. Therefore none of that money can be used for election speech. This also applies to government money. No government entity can vote, and therefore lacks standing/authority to speak. Maybe we understand it the same and you’re seeing something different?

What I think we could in terms of publicly funded support is I believe our government should host and run a free YouTube/Facebook/X like service for political candidates. I didn’t include it in the original proposal because I believe the this is a separate topic and should have its merits discussed independently.

The government is forbidden from abridging speech so it can’t “play favorites” about who gets a channel and who doesn’t. Everyone declared to run for an office anywhere in the country gets a channel. The infrastructure required to host such a service is a relatively nominal cost given the amounts already spent on the federal government’s technology infrastructure. This is “fair” because every candidate gets exactly the same level and support, and every voter or news agency now has a central location by which a campaign can be reached, providing at least a nominal “levelling of the playing field”.

  1. Cap on Campaign Spending - I’m not advocating either way for Caps on Spending because that, to me, is a different discussion. Generally speaking I’m against Spending or Donation Caps. If we are going to say that using my money to hire others to speak on my behalf or carry my message for me (which is how I interpret the “money as speech” conclusion), then I see no Constitutional principle that allows that speech to be limited in either my Spending or my Donations. There are Constitutional principles we can see that limit the sources of that speech to voters, which is what I’m proposing here, but I do not see that further granting the basis for limiting quantity…

A Spending Cap also assumes that one can predict what a campaign should be allowed to spend. If I wanted to pay a million people to go door to door and introduce myself as a candidate because no one has ever heard of me, that’s going to cost me a lot more than an established political figure who is already well known to the American people. A spending cap would hurt me as a candidate. I am aware that no spending cap would also help my well known opponent. Again, I believe this deserves its own discussion topic.

  1. Regarding the Citizens United decision, yes, I think it is good law. I don’t think most people have actually read/understood the actual legal issue decided in that case; they’ve simply been told that it was bad because it enables what’s considered a bad thing. In that case a guy made a movie/documentary about the way a president handled a material situation of national concern (it had a bias critical of the president’s handling); money was then spent to advertise and promote that movie and the FEC tried to claim that the advertising of a movie about the past behavior of a political person was “political advertising”. The Supreme Court said “No, advertising a commercial product, just because it is about a political figure currently running for office, is not the same thing as political advertising.” This seems like good law to me.

If Citizens United was overturned we could no longer spend money to advertise commercial content (books, audiobooks, films, live streams, etc) about a currently running political figure because all of that spending would be considered “political advertising”. I see that as absolutely devastating to the most critical form of free speech, political free speech, which I see we must protect at all costs.

I am more swayed by the idea that “real persons” are the entities endowed by creator with the “inalienable rights”. Those “real persons” then establish and endow their government with its authority and subsequent use of power/force. All other entities are an organizational creation of human fiction and are not “real” (including the government itself). Corporations are, in essence, a downstream creation of the people’s government and therefore has no standing to dictate how its creator should operate (influence elections). If the government was magically vanquished, the real persons would still exist, and the corporations would not. I could probably be swayed to agree with limiting Citizens United to only hold true for US voters, but not the general idea that advertising commercial content whose topic includes a currently running political figure is the same thing as political advertising.

Addressing concerns

Enforcement: The way I envision this being done is by the organization receiving the money attaching a “zipcode” to the dollar once it enters the political donation sphere and breaking down the regulatory financial reporting required down by zipcode. I am using zipcode, which is on a person’s voter registration (and now only voters can donate so they must also have a voter registration), as a proxy for what ballot items that dollar is allowed to directly influence. For in-person contributions, say at a rally, where it’s cumbersome to check that, the zipcode where the money was collected is likely sufficient under some threshhold (under $50 ?), otherwise you need to be able to verify the donor.

Another way of doing it is using a consensus based blockchain network to track political activity dollars. This also is a separate idea/discussion. All political campaigns would be required to use this blockchain to transfer money. The collection of all the government entities, and perhaps interested NGOs, would host and operate this blockchain (I consider the set of every city, county, state, federal offices, and interested NGOs sufficient diversity to protect the chain’s integrity). The blockchain would then track what dollar amounts were spent where. This would make all political spending transparent to the American Public (which I believe it technically is already) and potentially allow some modicum of “pre-vetting” that could block transfers that are known to be and detectable as illegal.

Legal Challenges:
Here is where I believe the strongest merits of this proposal lie in that it is grounded in solid foundational American principles (that our government derives its just powers from the people it governs, and therefore they are the only people/entities with standing/authority to “speak” on the matter. It is their government (like you might consider it their property)).

Obviously it will be challenged, and it might lose, but I believe it is built on strongly defensible traditional American foundational values and Constitutional bases that are not summarily dismissible and is compatible with Citizens United. Entities have a free speech right to advertise their commercial content about a political figure currently running for office. If we wanted to regulate that speech, the only legal basis I see is the fact they aren’t an actual voter or real person and therefore do not enjoy the same rights as real persons or voters. But we’d have to first agree/decide that only actual voting persons are the entities for whom that right is reserved.

We can all easily agree that it should be, and currently is, illegal for the government of Iran to create and distribute an ad in the US saying “Elect Kamala Harris”.
Why is that so obvious? What’s our philosophical rationale for that?
I say it’s because the government of Iran is not a member of the US electorate, is not a subject of the US government, and therefore has no standing/authority to themselves distribute that speech within the domain of the US. Not because the government of Iran doesn’t have the right to free speech. It can create a video that says “Elect Kamala Harris” and put it on its own broadcast networks all it wants (i.e. exercise its free speech). If that content was to be distributed in the United States, it would have to come from a US voter, or set of US voters, using their speech to communicate that content (because they have standing to speak). If money is paid to induce those US voter persons for that activity, that can be regulated and prosecuted.

If US voters took that content and chose freely to promote, comment on, or distribute that material on their own, without a directed request to that person from the government of Iran, I don’t see what we can or even should do to regulate that. Iran is not allowed to induce that behavior using its own speech (directed request to a specific person, money, etc).

This proposal is to take that same principle and do a logical extension of that same reasoning. The government of Iran lacks standing, not free speech, and therefore other similar entities without standing should likewise be limited. When you then ask the question “okay, what entities have standing?” you quickly get to the conclusion that “US voters on that the specific election ballot item in question are the only entities with true standing to speak on that ballot item.”

Practical Implementation:
I believe tracking zipcode balances would be sufficient. Every political organization would have the same chart of zipcode accounts, so balances would be tracked by zipcode when funds are transferred. It’s not as easy as one general balance for sure, but it seems like it could be handled by a spreadsheet. The more local the campaign, the fewer zipcodes to be tracked.

Zipcode seems to me a sufficient privacy obfuscator to protect the privacy interests of donors. The main thing prevented here is a wealthy California donor can’t influence an election in Texas. The impact of this is it dramatically weakens the strength of “nationwide organizations” or wealthy, geographically concentrated clusters from influencing elections outside the locality of where the donor money came from.

Public Funding Limitations/Effectiveness:
As I mentioned before, I’m not proposing “cap limits”, I’m proposing geographical boundaries based on the scope of contribution.

Refinement/Conclusion:
I just realized something…
I’m actually proposing two independent things here without realizing it.
The idea of restricting speech to real US voters can be separated from the idea of geographic boundaries based on location of donation source.

For example, if Microsoft wants to make campaign donations, limiting its scope of political influence to Redmond, Washington and Washington’s interest in the federal government all it wants is, technically, a separate thought from the principle of only real US voter persons can influence elections.

Is this split something worth separating out as two independent discussions?
One discussion on the merits of restricting voting influence to US voters, which would be silent on the idea of wealthy billionaires in New York influencing elections in Florida; and a separate discussion on the geographic influence of a donation being limited to those elections for which that donor has a geographic influence (silent on the corporate versus real person entity). …

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1. Public Funding

Summary
  • I was intending to suggest the exact opposite I believe; that the only “legitimate dollars” spendable on election influence must be derived from a voter (or at least a voting eligible US citizen, but with access to the voting rolls online, a voter is easier to test for). So a corporate funded special interest group could not contribute because the SIG organization itself is not, and cannot be, a voter, and funds sourcing the SIG come from corporations which also cannot be voters. Therefore none of that money can be used for election speech. This also applies to government money. No government entity can vote, and therefore lacks standing/authority to speak. Maybe we understand it the same and you’re seeing something different.

I very much like this proposal here. I see the only way to meet the needs of your proposal and flatten all constraints would be via the blockchain. At birth a citizen is given a PGP key that replaces their social security number. The public key is made available on a blockchain where all transactions for political purposes are required to take place. A wallet is established where money can easily be transmitted to the wallet and disseminated to their candidate/cause of choice. I think the best way to do this would be to put caps on donations like we have now. Standardize donations for individuals, remove non-voter donations, and no caps for campaigns to raise money. Therefore a candidate that receives more support from it’s desired constituency will out raise a candidate that fails to rally as many unique, active voters. This certainly will create a natural trend of populism which I believe is a real consideration (do we want a corpocracy like we have now?) I also would like to see every citizen receive $100 into this account when they’re born. Using your voice and participating in the political process should be encouraged from birth.

2. Sanctioned Channel for Candidates

Summary

What I think we could in terms of publicly funded support is I believe our government should host and run a free YouTube/Facebook/X like service for political candidates. I didn’t include it in the original proposal because I believe the this is a separate topic and should have its merits discussed independently.

The government is forbidden from abridging speech so it can’t “play favorites” about who gets a channel and who doesn’t. Everyone declared to run for an office anywhere in the country gets a channel. The infrastructure required to host such a service is a relatively nominal cost given the amounts already spent on the federal government’s technology infrastructure. This is “fair” because every candidate gets exactly the same level and support, and every voter or news agency now has a central location by which a campaign can be reached, providing at least a nominal “levelling of the playing field”.

I think this is very wise. The public key of the candidates will verify their dissemination of information on this platform. I could see X white labeling a product just for this. Debates would be hosted on this platform, Q&A’s, town halls, etc. We could overhaul C-SPAN/PBS and use those departments as the arbiters of this platform. We have to get politics away from the capitalistic interests of main stream media. Politics should be policy derived and dry.

3. Cap on Campaign Spending

Summary
  • I’m not advocating either way for Caps on Spending because that, to me, is a different discussion. Generally speaking I’m against Spending or Donation Caps. If we are going to say that using my money to hire others to speak on my behalf or carry my message for me (which is how I interpret the “money as speech” conclusion), then I see no Constitutional principle that allows that speech to be limited in either my Spending or my Donations. There are Constitutional principles we can see that limit the sources of that speech to voters, which is what I’m proposing here, but I do not see that further granting the basis for limiting quantity…

A Spending Cap also assumes that one can predict what a campaign should be allowed to spend. If I wanted to pay a million people to go door to door and introduce myself as a candidate because no one has ever heard of me, that’s going to cost me a lot more than an established political figure who is already well known to the American people. A spending cap would hurt me as a candidate. I am aware that no spending cap would also help my well known opponent. Again, I believe this deserves its own discussion topic.

I agree with your summation here that spending caps are arbitrary and not helpful. In San Francisco the DA election has an organization where they send a mailer to every voter in San Francisco, to be eligible to be on the mailer you have to agree to cap your spending of your campaign. I’d like to see us do this on a national/state scale as well.
Source: https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Harris-violated-S-F-campaign-finance-law-D-A-2554388.php

4. Regarding the Citizens United decision

Summary

, yes, I think it is good law. I don’t think most people have actually read/understood the actual legal issue decided in that case; they’ve simply been told that it was bad because it enables what’s considered a bad thing. In that case a guy made a movie/documentary about the way a president handled a material situation of national concern (it had a bias critical of the president’s handling); money was then spent to advertise and promote that movie and the FEC tried to claim that the advertising of a movie about the past behavior of a political person was “political advertising”. The Supreme Court said “No, advertising a commercial product, just because it is about a political figure currently running for office, is not the same thing as political advertising.” This seems like good law to me.

If Citizens United was overturned we could no longer spend money to advertise commercial content (books, audiobooks, films, live streams, etc) about a currently running political figure because all of that spending would be considered “political advertising”. I see that as absolutely devastating to the most critical form of free speech, political free speech, which I see we must protect at all costs.

I am more swayed by the idea that “real persons” are the entities endowed by creator with the “inalienable rights”. Those “real persons” then establish and endow their government with its authority and subsequent use of power/force. All other entities are an organizational creation of human fiction and are not “real” (including the government itself). Corporations are, in essence, a downstream creation of the people’s government and therefore has no standing to dictate how its creator should operate (influence elections). If the government was magically vanquished, the real persons would still exist, and the corporations would not. I could probably be swayed to agree with limiting Citizens United to only hold true for US voters, but not the general idea that advertising commercial content whose topic includes a currently running political figure is the same thing as political advertising.

I was taken aback by your analysis of Citizen’s United, and admittedly, I’m going to have to do more research on the implications of the case and the reasons why it even got to the Supreme Court. From your assessment, it seems that it should stand, and limiting participation in political speech to verified citizens (eligible to vote) is the most pressing issue at hand.

Legal Challenges:

Summary

Here is where I believe the strongest merits of this proposal lie in that it is grounded in solid foundational American principles (that our government derives its just powers from the people it governs, and therefore they are the only people/entities with standing/authority to “speak” on the matter. It is their government (like you might consider it their property)).

Obviously it will be challenged, and it might lose, but I believe it is built on strongly defensible traditional American foundational values and Constitutional bases that are not summarily dismissible and is compatible with Citizens United. Entities have a free speech right to advertise their commercial content about a political figure currently running for office. If we wanted to regulate that speech, the only legal basis I see is the fact they aren’t an actual voter or real person and therefore do not enjoy the same rights as real persons or voters. But we’d have to first agree/decide that only actual voting persons are the entities for whom that right is reserved.

We can all easily agree that it should be, and currently is, illegal for the government of Iran to create and distribute an ad in the US saying “Elect Kamala Harris”.
Why is that so obvious? What’s our philosophical rationale for that?
I say it’s because the government of Iran is not a member of the US electorate, is not a subject of the US government, and therefore has no standing/authority to themselves distribute that speech within the domain of the US. Not because the government of Iran doesn’t have the right to free speech. It can create a video that says “Elect Kamala Harris” and put it on its own broadcast networks all it wants (i.e. exercise its free speech). If that content was to be distributed in the United States, it would have to come from a US voter, or set of US voters, using their speech to communicate that content (because they have standing to speak). If money is paid to induce those US voter persons for that activity, that can be regulated and prosecuted.

If US voters took that content and chose freely to promote, comment on, or distribute that material on their own, without a directed request to that person from the government of Iran, I don’t see what we can or even should do to regulate that. Iran is not allowed to induce that behavior using its own speech (directed request to a specific person, money, etc).

This proposal is to take that same principle and do a logical extension of that same reasoning. The government of Iran lacks standing, not free speech, and therefore other similar entities without standing should likewise be limited. When you then ask the question “okay, what entities have standing?” you quickly get to the conclusion that “US voters on that the specific election ballot item in question are the only entities with true standing to speak on that ballot item.”

We have to accept the stickiness of the world as it is today. Ads are cheap and freely bought on every social media platform. Information knows no boundaries, true or false… “A Lie Is Halfway Round the World Before the Truth Has Got Its Boots On”

Condensing political dissemination to one platform that only allows for the candidates to post via PGP key that is verified. A place where debates, town halls, Q&A’s, Policy Proposals, etc. all live is wise. However, we are putting great trust in this singular platform. Censorship cannot exist in any form or fashion. Fact checking should be a done by an open-source panel (and even then, Wikipedia has shown the erosion of content moderation.) This platform would have to be transparent from top to bottom. It also should be the only place that campaign contributions occur. Allowing for full auditability and the assurance of no dark money in the system.

Refinement/Conclusion:

Summary

I just realized something…
I’m actually proposing two independent things here without realizing it.
The idea of restricting speech to real US voters can be separated from the idea of geographic boundaries based on location of donation source.

For example, if Microsoft wants to make campaign donations, limiting its scope of political influence to Redmond, Washington and Washington’s interest in the federal government all it wants is, technically, a separate thought from the principle of only real US voter persons can influence elections.

Is this split something worth separating out as two independent discussions?
One discussion on the merits of restricting voting influence to US voters, which would be silent on the idea of wealthy billionaires in New York influencing elections in Florida; and a separate discussion on the geographic influence of a donation being limited to those elections for which that donor has a geographic influence (silent on the corporate versus real person entity). …

I don’t see your proposal to geofence donations based on zip codes as a viable strategy. We could use this same blockchain with unique PGP codes to verify where “home” is for people. However, I travel 6 months out of the year, natural boundaries are mutable in today’s world. I would like to see the inability of outside groups influencing my local elections (the Koch brothers spent $50m against public transit in my city, assholes.)

I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

I’m impressed with your markdown-fu!

It appears at least the two of us are getting to a consensus on that the general principle is seems to be a good thing and it’s mostly implementation details? Does that sound right?

Implementation/Enforcement:
Individual voter donations are already kept track of as it is, and we’re eliminating corporate donations, so grouping those voter donations up by zipcode doesn’t seem that difficult to me. Each zipcode becomes an account and you have to move donations into and spending out of those accounts when making your ad spend…

What this cannibalizes is the opportunity for campaigns to get money from large donors in area “A” and use that money to promote themselves in area “B”. It effectively eliminates the entire concept of the donor class as immensely useful. We can then entirely eliminate caps on donations and spending. Wealthy areas can spend fortunes, while poorer areas will likely have almost no advertising dollars available to spend on them at all. Each locale becomes responsible for itself and “outside influence” is meaningfully restricted.

Crypto Identities:
I’m against the specific detail of a using a crypto key as an identity because keys can, and eventually will, be cracked. I’m not against the use of cryptographically signed/secured communications, simply the collapsing of the keys as identifiers. A unique person has a currently active key, but that key is not the same as a unique person. I think this is fairly easily reconciled by simply having our identities registered separately and then having those distinct/unique registered identities associated with a set of currently active credentials (keys) in different systems.

Travellers:
You said you traveled a lot, my only concern is “where are you registered to vote?” As that can only legally be one place at a time, we are using this framework to determine the ballot items where you have standing to “push”/advertise your opinion on ballot initiatives. Namely that you can only “speak” on ballot items you can vote on.

It’s not that outside content should be prevented from reaching citizens (we’re not talking the Great Firewall of China here), it’s that you can’t spend money, or use other forms of “speech”, to “push” (advertise) your outside influence (where you have no standing to speak) onto the voters in another area. That includes naked advertisements and paying people in the region to say a thing.

If you are invited to speak at a rally or something, you are being authorized to speak by someone with standing, that has a voice, to speak on the ballot measure in the location that rally is happening (I would then say that person has to introduce you and be present, not speaking, while you are speaking).

Geofencing:
As the main focus of this idea is primarily targeting restricting advertising spends, and advertisers absolutely practice geofencing because they charge different rates for greater reach, I see geofencing should be a viable strategy.

Consider the following, to use television/radio as an example, every geographic area is a separate broadcast license. I think it would be perfectly reasonable during each election to do an analysis of which election ballot items are allowed to be advertised for by that specific licensee, a similar analysis could be done for local phone exchanges, cell towers, and ISPs. But even if you did it solely on the basis of broadcast license coverage, that eliminates most of the issues (unless you happen to live within the same broadcast zones as the Koch brothers :stuck_out_tongue:).

Each broadcast station is required to announce its own local station id. The fact a single entity owns lots of broadcast licenses simply means it has to keep better track of what advertisements it can broadcast on which stations. Campaigns and PACs need to track which accounts are being used to pay for each of those broadcast stations. That’s not the public’s problem, that’s the owner’s and campaign/PAC problem to handle. It “taxes” the larger, national groups by making their accounting more difficult.

It also means that someone running for the US House can only use funding generated from people in the district where that person will be voted on.

Overall Comment:
I’m not looking for “perfect” here.

I am certain that campaign finance violations go on all the time and go undiscovered and unprosecuted and I don’t see this as eliminating all the issues.

Most “white collar crime” isn’t prosecuted (white leads me to another policy about creating the concept of a “beat cop” for white collar crime like we have for location based crimes; but again, separate topic).

What I’m looking to determine at the moment is whether or not this idea seems to have more good consequences than bad; that assuming details can be worked out, is this a system that voters think they would want to live under; and what are the major detriments we must address beforehand (like the tracking donations and enforcement).

There’s some nuanced differences in opinion here.

I agree separating individuals from their cryptographic key is wise. We need to sunset social security numbers no matter what.

I’d like to see you expand on your “white collar beat cop” proposal.

Overall I think we are onto something meaningfully important and would like to see some new perspectives join this thread.

Thanks for the dialogue!