As someone who is pro-choice, I want women to have abortion options. Where I draw the line is late-term abortions (6+ months) and for those I’d like to see a ban, with an exception for the health of the mother (or when the child isn’t viable for some reason due to infection or something that went wrong in-utero).
However, if Republicans try to ban elective abortions in anyway the left will go berserk.
This got me thinking about a policy approach that could be a win-win. Here’s how it would work:
The US government agrees to pay for ALL abortions up to 12 weeks with a caveat that the mother has to receive counseling to make sure she is aware of her options.
Any elective abortions from 12±36 weeks would have 0 support from the Federal government. This would be where states have the right to limit or fund.
Ban elective abortions greater than 36 weeks, unless the health of the mother is an issue or the fetus isn’t viable.
The incentive approach, i.e., the US paying for early term abortions, would cause most women to try to figure out what they want to do at a point when the baby is barely more than a collection of cells, isn’t viable outside of the womb, and in a range where many women experience miscarriages anyway.
Most of the country is completely fine with abortions in the first trimester, so that tracks. By adding a counseling requirement to all abortions, some women may reconsider which should be allowed and not be controversial. Lastly, the cost of an early term abortion is much less.
2nd trimester abortions would be a states issue.
3rd trimester elective abortions would be banned because they should be. To kill a baby that could survive outside the womb is criminal in my and others opinions. Morally gross.
Absolutely not. It is not the government’s job to take care of you.
If you are pregnant and you don’t want the child, the responsible thing to do is have the child then give it up for adoption. I am baffled that any one could justify killing an unborn child.
Just an fyi, babies know EVERYTHING in the womb. So when you abort a baby, they know what is happening and that is trauma you are creating to another human being.
And before you say they do not know, yes they do. How do I know? Because I personally remember things when I was in my mother’s womb. I won’t go into detail, but babies know EVERYTHING.
If Republicans continue to push for an absolute ban on abortions the party will die just like Dems are dying because of their extremism. 80+% of the country is in favor of a reasonable abortion policy. The one issue that Democrats use effectively to win elections is pushing fear of a Republican ban on abortions. Read the room. Either the Republican party shifts to a moderate position on abortions or Trump is the last Republican president (because he won’t approve a ban). My only reason for proposing this is because at least early term abortions are more palatable.
This would be a good policy for DEMOCRATS to promote, but not the Republicans. It’s a much better idea than their abortion-until-birth “Women’s Health Protection Act” bill. I definitely see the advantage of trying to reduce late term abortions by funding first trimester abortions. And I appreciate your support for the counseling idea.
I think a more viable solution might be to pair the bill with a federal restriction at the end of the 12 or 15 weeks, with clear, reasonable medical exceptions afterwards. That would make this a more viable, bipartisan deal.
Alternatively, if you don’t want to ban abortion, then I suggest you simply restrict the use of feticide against babies determined to be viable. Meaning, say she is 24 weeks along, and the doctor says that the baby is viable. The federal law doesn’t ban her from delivering the child at any time, but would NOT allow her to dismember the child or inject the fatal digoxin shot, or otherwise purposely fatally injure the child in the process of the early delivery, and all viable children would be required to be treated at the NICU. (Children with fatal/super-severe abnormalities and determined unlikely to survive infancy would not be considered “viable”.)
A mere ban at 36 weeks is wayyyy too late. The majority of babies born between 22-24 weeks will survive if treated at the NICU. That survival figure rises to 80% at 25 weeks, 90% at 26 weeks, and keeps rising until it’s 99% at 32 weeks. There is a concerning risk of long-term disability for the surviving babies born 22-24 weeks, but the majority of surviving babies born after 24 weeks have zero - to mild conditions, and after every week born, their prognosis significantly approves.
I also would suggest mandating fetal pain relief for all abortions after 12 weeks.
Babies after 12 weeks gestation are fully formed and capable of pain.
And for the majority of these second trimester abortions, the aborted baby is NOT given the fatal digoxin shot, NO fetal anesthesia and NO fetal pain relief.
Therefore, thousands of fully formed second trimester babies, capable of pain, are getting their limbs torn off, ALIVE and AWAKE, to feel the whole thing.
In some cases, they are born alive, either because they popped out just before the dismemberment started or because they were induced whole. Even nonviable babies born well before 22 weeks have been born alive… Even embryos and early fetuses were born alive, heart still beating, after the woman took abortion pills.
In red states, babies born alive from abortion are often required by law to be transported to the NICU.
But in pro-choice states, babies born alive are usually medically neglected. Sometimes a nurse will hold the baby. Sometimes the baby gets left to die in a metal tray. Or thrown in medical waste bags and buckets. Sometimes they’re drowned in a jar of liquid solution or their necks are broken or slashed. Their serial killers sometimes are forced to use violence to kill abortion survivors, in order to prevent the baby’s CRIES from alerting others, that the aborted baby survived.
I hope you find those things “morally gross” as well, I did a lot of research on this topic and organized all my links/sources/videos on my various google docs as a reference. I found that abortion, in all trimesters, is so much more horrible than you ever knew.
Anyway, I have also made a proposal related to abortion and maternal and fetal healthcare. I have a different approach, but I think you would appreciate the attempt that I’m making. Please consider it? Here’s the link.
FYI - the very first paragraph summarizes the whole idea of my proposal. The next few paragraphs offers a few disclaimers explaining its’ constitutionality, and the need for my proposal. Then I wrote a letter to Trump, RFK and the whole MAHA team. The actual content of my proposal comes after that and is much more organized/structured from there. It’s very detailed. Perhaps it could also give you ideas for your proposal, too.
Leaning towards proper support of soon to be mothers is a better stance on this. The government should incentivize healthy families, and part of that is support for mothers after getting pregnant, and during child rearing. Having enough money left after bills each month from a common pay rate would help, not barely being able to make ends meet without an extra human to take care of. It has become quite expensive to live, and that affects the way people perceive raising a child to be. Our government should be in operation for the benefit and growth of the people, not how it’s been ran the last several years (talking 15+ years here, not specific to 1 administration). Solutions for what to do with an unborn child should be focused on actions to guide them in a good life, not dispose of them before they even have a chance at life. It’s not the baby’s fault it was conceived.
MK, I really regret my header on this proposal. My goal was not to incentivize them, but to try to find a way for women to get counseling and to get anyone planning an abortion to do it early (in the miscarriage window). I had thought there would be more interest in the idea, given that Senate Republicans had proposed an abortion bill similar to EU.
when can we stop with all this abortion-above-all chatter and just leave it to the person who got pregnant (and her partner, if she is aware enough to know who he is)?
This line right here kind of speaks to part of the larger issue in general, that it’s taken for granted that a woman might not actually know who the father is.
Hell no! Murder is MURDER! it should be ban and punishment 40 years in prison.
Maybe you should fight for all those people to get hysterectomy instead! Then no one would’ve have to worry about a baby being Murdered in the womb!
what is your point here?
Mine was, if a clarification needed: MOST of willing to go for a late-term abortion leave free-sex/everything life and might pretty easily not know who the father is. A woman with a partner would have that discussion/decision way earlier than at a late-term times.
You just being upset with something in your own thinking - make it clear, an initials-only person