Please consider supporting and voting for an end to all unequal and direct taxes like property and income taxes:
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I think you are missing the point of the movement here. Just because a state violates the U.S. Constitution with the extortion racket practice of stealing annual income from Americans based on some arbitrary unrealized property valuation that they themselves assigned, doesnt mean that the Federal Government is not part of the issue here.
The Federal Government is ALL of the issue here, since it should be enforcing the Constitution and hold states accountable for violating the Constitution. The âEnd Property Taxesâ title of this forum is used for providing ease to users to find this particular topic â it is not a ârequest to the federal governmentâ to stop state extortion practices like property taxes [even though it should]. Once inside the forum, everyone can put in their two cents about âwhyâ it should end. And while we are at it, here is two cents moreâŚ
Hope that helps let federal officials clarify to state/county offices that it is NOT OK to take homes from people based on supposed âback taxesâ â EVER, since it is a direct violation of the Constitution.
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I have an idea. Instead of putting the cart before the horse, letâs do it this way: 1) We stop the unconstitutional state theft of American wealth annually via âproperty taxesâ and then 2) Find a NEW legal and constitutional income stream for social services that need funding. Simply put â stop the criminal activity and direct harm first, and THEN, devise a new method. Coming up with a new method BEFORE ending the harm of the criminal activity is NOT the correct resolution order, wouldnt you agree? We should be asking the federal govt to lean on the states to fix the issue â who cares at this point how the state figures out how to replace its theft income â its on them.
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Taxpayers donât know exactly where tax funds to schools are allocated. Do Superintendent of schools, janitors, cooks or principal/VPs make more than teachers? To those who do know, please educate us. Thank you
I completely disagree with you that it should not be resolved at the national level. ALL violations of the Constitution should be resolved at the federal level. Just because the states are running this income extortion racket based on unrealized property values, doesnt mean that the resolution MUST be at the state level. This is a Constitutional violation and the federal government needs to step in and stop it immediately.
The racket needs to stop and the county governments need to be put on notice that seizures of homes for âback taxesâ is a federal offense and a violation of the highest law in the land. Need proof:
You see? Nothing âstate-levelâ about this resolution. Who cares what the states do about finding another income stream to replace their extortion racket. Its on them.
*Final note: Your solution would take years and not resolve the problem. The above-stated solution could be implemented in simply a few months at the most, and put an end to it nationwide, forever, as our Founding Fathers would have insisted.
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This is misapplied law!!!
If you are just going to trade one tax for another what is the point? I guess the government canât cease your property for overdue property taxes, but they would still cease it for overdue taxes under any other name. Not to mention it is far easier to redress government for unfair property taxes than redress for sales tax, etc.
Thatâs the point of a proposal and this community. To build upon an observation until that could become a detailed contribution. Considering there are comments by a few on how to re-examine the problem, we could build upon a proposal that makes sense while also being solution oriented to the inherent problems. For example, this reply
So, rather than the comment thread being solely to shoot an observation down and to argue amongst ourselves (more akin to social media behavior), this platform can and should inspire us to build upon observations we might be intrigued by or agree with and build upon it as a proactive way to address an observation, with the express goal of policy proposals that meticulously lay out the problems, provide solutions, and then suggest methodologies for implementation.
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Property taxes are miss applied and misenforced law. It is an ad valorum tax, a commercial tax on commercial corporations. The law is misapplied by the criminal syndicate masquerading as government in every county.
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And might I add that the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution cannot be found guilty of âMisapplication of Queenâs Englishâ; thus, every law based on such, should be clearly applied to such, even at the county and local levels. As oftentimes demonstrated, laws may be wrongly written, poorly worded, vaguely stated, be âmisappliedâ, and even be revoked; however, the English Language upon which all laws should be based, remains largely unconfusing and unchanged â not unlike the same unwavering Queenâs English that is clearly demonstrated in the most high laws penned within our sacred Constitution.
All property taxes should be eliminated. Citizens should not be penalized year after year for owning property.
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Problem is some peoples taxes are higher than their original payment was. They finally pay off their mortgage, but then have to keeping paying an amount that increases in perpetuity.
One problem is govt spending is out of control.
Another problem is how to continue to fund. This could be made up for in sales tax. I say made up for. What I mean is that after cutting out all the bloat there probably wouldnât be as much of a need for finding alternative revenue (tax) sources.
So change it at the state level, or have a constitutional amendment (not sure how that works exactly), to make the change happen. And the funding, maybe we have too much bloat and need to cut spending massively.
I noticed that serveral people posting under âEnd Property Taxesâ immediately jump to the conversation of how to fix state funding of community projects/infrastructure instead of sticking with the subject of why property taxes should end.
I mean, the title of the forum does not say âFind Another Way to Fund state and Local Infrastructureâ, does it? So why do some people jump right over it, and straight to talking about something that would happen only AFTER property taxes were stopped? Seems to be a common occurrance under this topicâŚsome stick with talking about the reasons it should end, and others prefer elaborating on the hypothetical what-ifâs AFTER the fact, or what other action should be taken instead of stopping illegal and unconstitutional property taxes. Why is that, do you think? 
I beg to disagree, Don. local government did not create the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. Local government did not even EXIST when that supreme law was ratified. Property taxes are unconstitutional and in direct violation of the Fourth amendment, especially when the home is unreasonably seized due to âback taxesâ. You should not steer the audience into thinking that this is a local issue and have them chasing the wrong solutions. The correct solution is to have the federal government immediately order county governments to cease and desist their unconstitutional behavior of stealing wealth from the American people. Thanks.
Wrong, this is a federal issue, not a state issue. Do your political homework. The Federal government should immediately order the county governments to cease and desist their unconstitional violations of the Fourth Amendment and the subsequent seizure of homes for the express purpose of collecting some past levied taxes.
This is a great idea, however, wonât we have to pay in some other form? In some states the property taxes are low but vehicle registration is high.
We need to trim the local and state government first, reduce taxes next. I would be curious to find out just how much is needed to keep the local and state running.
I flexed Grok to assess this observation and all the comments to produce a proposal that takes everyones input into account. Take or leave out parts you donât like and/or, build upon specific solutions within it to propose sound new policy proposals. That is the purpose of this site- to refine observations into detailed contributions. Thatâs more productive than arguing topics like most do on social media. This site has the potential to be different than social media in that way. So, hereâs the proposal based on everyoneâs feedback to the observationâŚ
I understand youâre looking for a comprehensive proposal that considers the various views expressed in the forum discussion regarding the elimination of property taxes. Given the current constraints, Iâll provide a conceptual framework for a proposal that attempts to address the diverse viewpoints:
Proposal: A Balanced Approach to Property Tax Reform
Objective:
To reform property taxation in a manner that respects property rights, ensures adequate funding for public services, and addresses the concerns of homeowners regarding perpetual taxation of owned property.
Key Components:
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Elimination of Traditional Property Taxes:
- Proposition: Property taxes would be replaced with a different form of taxation or funding mechanism for local services.
Considerations:
- Public Services Funding: Revenue lost from property taxes must be replaced. This could involve:
- Land Value Tax (LVT): Instead of taxing the property itself, tax the value of the land. This encourages efficient land use, discourages land speculation, and is less burdensome for homeowners with improvements on their property.
- Service-Based Fees: Implement user fees for specific services like waste disposal, public transport, or community facilities.
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Revenue Replacement Strategy:
- Sales Tax Increase: A slight increase in sales tax could compensate for the loss, but it should be carefully calibrated to not disproportionately affect lower-income individuals.
- Wealth Tax or Capital Gains: Introduce or enhance taxes on wealth or capital gains to target those with higher economic means, thereby balancing the tax burden.
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Homeowner Protection:
- Homeownership Security Act: Legislation could be proposed to ensure that once a home is paid off, owners are protected from losing it due to inability to pay taxes. This might include:
- Tax Deferral: Allow homeowners to defer property (or land value) taxes until the sale of the property. This keeps the home secure while ensuring the state eventually collects the revenue.
- Exemption for Primary Residences: A portion of the primary residence could be exempt from any form of property taxation, protecting the basic right to shelter.
- Homeownership Security Act: Legislation could be proposed to ensure that once a home is paid off, owners are protected from losing it due to inability to pay taxes. This might include:
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Community Involvement:
- Local Decision-Making: Empower local governments to decide what mix of these alternative revenue sources works best for their community, ensuring local needs and economic conditions are considered.
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Transparency and Accountability:
- Public Reporting: Implement strict guidelines on how funds from alternative taxation sources are utilized, with clear reporting to the public to ensure money is spent efficiently and justly.
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Implementation Phases:
- Pilot Programs: Before a nationwide shift, pilot the new tax system in selected areas to study its impacts on local economies, housing markets, and public services.
Addressing Concerns:
- Privacy and Overreach: Ensure that any new tax system respects privacy laws and does not infringe upon the 4th Amendment by being overly intrusive.
- Economic Impact: Conduct thorough economic analyses to predict and mitigate potential negative effects on real estate markets or local economies.
- Social Equity: Measures must be in place to ensure that the tax reform does not exacerbate economic inequality.
Conclusion:
This proposal aims to balance the right to own property without perpetual taxation with the need for sustainable funding for public services. By shifting the tax burden from property ownership to other economic activities or land value, it seeks to protect homeownersâ rights while maintaining community welfare. The proposal would need extensive public debate, economic modeling, and possibly phased implementation to refine and adapt based on real-world outcomes.
This framework doesnât solve all issues immediately but provides a starting point for discussion, aiming for a compromise that could work within the legal, economic, and social frameworks of the U.S.
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From this for example. I would build upon two primary key areas - considerations and point #3. Those could be more fleshed out and explained with reasoning and resources to address the problems as they stand now with solutions that could actually get bipartisan support and get passed. So I would suggest editing the observation into an initial framework to expand upon the observation with things like the two key areas, and/or incorporate some of the feedback in the commentary by others in the community to expand upon the idea, to start building an actual proposal.
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Right, but by eliminating property tax, homeowners will not be at risk of losing their homes if/when they can no longer afford property taxes (i.e. elderly, unemployed-especially those who find themselves unemployed due to long-term illness, etc)