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This is way to complicated, also no state or government should be involved in a decision that the parents are responsible for.
We are a free country and we have our freedoms from our creator God himself!

He says thou shall not murder, and that goes for little people as well that you accidentally made aka baby what some folks call a fetus.

If you want to rip your baby out in little pieces one at a time and kill it, then you go right ahead and do that, God gave you the free choice to do that, but He will judge you accordingly to what you do.

But I would believe that you can’t kill a child that is 8 years old then you can’t kill a pre born baby in the womb.

There are so many families that are having a hard time having children, and the adoption process is absolutely terrible, the better solution is to fix the adoption process and have families waiting to help these mothers that are considering an abortion, that would be my vote.
Keep the government out of families out of children and out of our freedoms, aka constitution!

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Your bill is more likely to pass if you aren’t throwing tax dollars at problems, because people don’t want to fund problems. We already financially incentivize foster care and adoption, and the result is a disaster. Why do people not adopt? It has less to do with cost and more to do with policies and laws that are not pro-faith, and pro-family. A study in 2013 showed that twice as many Christians adopt than non-Christians. Christians are also more likely to foster children. Christ said for Christians to care for orphans, so many Christians see it as a mandate, and would rather pay for it out of their own pocket than be told by the government that they can’t raise their children according to their own values. Many more Christians consider adoption and foster care, but don’t follow through, not so much because it’s expensive, as IVF and surrogacy is, too, but because it’s so invasive. A rapist can legally father and raise a child. A drug addict or alcoholic can legally give birth to and raise a child. A murderer can legally conceive and raise a child. A person who in the past chose to kill their own child in the womb can legally get pregnant again and raise their own child. Yet, a child with NO family must wait two years or longer to be adopted by a family being vetted who longs to welcome the child into their family. I’m not saying that parents not part of the ideal Judeo-Christian, loving family shouldn’t be able to have and raise biological children, as I believe in grace and figure that if our Creator gave that couple the biological ability to have children, who am I to question Him, and I do believe in protecting orphans from predators, but I do believe they shouldn’t be made to wait months or years to be adopted into a permanent and loving family while the family is being vetted. It should be as quick as getting approved to rent a home or get a loan or mortgage. Do fingerprints, do a background check, check credit reports, check with the local police department and hospital to make sure there is no history of domestic abuse, and get a couple references from neighbors, co-workers, or family members. That should take days or weeks, not months and years, and it shouldn’t cost thousands or tens of thousands of dollars, but if it did, I know some Christians that would be more than happy to pay for it out of pocket, if they weren’t harassed and forced to agree to policies that go against their faith convictions and widely accepted traditions about how to properly raise a child in the process.

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Everyone should be aware, that when a person chooses to have sexual intercourse with someone, there is a chance of pregnancy, because birth control does not always prevent pregnancy. It is not rape if a person consents to sexual intercourse. Consensual sex comes with a risk of pregnancy, STDs that can lead to death, etc… People used to know this when abstinence was taught.

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I don’t think people realize how traumatizing abortion can be. As a veteran who served in Iraq, I would rather be injured a million times or die in war than decide to kill my own baby. That said, I know women who made that decision and regretted it, and I almost made that decision myself and am eternally grateful someone intervened so that I did not kill my wonderful son, and there is grace, mercy, and forgiveness found in Christ for every woman who turns to Him for their healing after they realize the pain their abortion caused. I knew someone who experienced incest, and she said abortion was worse to her than incest. I have heard rape victims say their abortion was worse than their rape. I’ve heard some rape victims say that holding their child born after rape was very healing to them. According to the Bible, two nations were conceived in incest. I’m not saying it’s okay, and the Bible doesn’t, but abortion isn’t the answer, even in the Bible that forbids incest and tells us it’s wrong in the first place. Let’s not send the message to those people you know but may not realize were conceived in rape or incest, that they should not have been born and that their lives don’t matter.

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Response to Lyndsey:

Thanks for your detailed thoughts. I agree with a lot of what you said.

You said: “Your bill is more likely to pass if you aren’t throwing tax dollars at problems, because people don’t want to fund problems. We already financially incentivize foster care and adoption, and the result is a disaster.”

To be clear, this proposal does not pay people to choose adoption and has nothing to do with foster care.

I agree that the cost to adopt a child is super-high. Regardless, for every healthy baby born there are lots of willing, loving families on a waitlist seeking to adopt. In fact, even for babies with disabilities, such as Down Syndrome, there are still plenty of families available willing to adopt. On the other hand, there is not as many families willing to adopt disabled babies, as they are to adopt healthy babies. This could pose an issue for all pro-life states which do not allow abortion exceptions for Down Syndrome. We should seek ways to decrease the cost of adoption, but ESPECIALLY for the adoption and healthcare of disabled children. This would give more women the confidence to choose life for their child, would allow more choices.

Back to the other hand, while the funding I propose would be embraced by pro-life leadership, it’s not the most crucial part of my proposal. Federal legislators are free to discuss all of these provisions with their constituents and decide amongst themselves which ones they will support and how it would be worded. The provisions from this proposal would have to be broken up in several stand-alone bills anyway.

You said: “Everyone should be aware, that when a person chooses to have sexual intercourse with someone, there is a chance of pregnancy, because birth control does not always prevent pregnancy.”

Agreed, 100%! Too many people disconnect the primary function of sex and think they have some right to irresponsible sex. If we could ram that simple concept you said into every young person’s head, we could solve a lot of problems. It is irresponsible to participate in the reproductive process (sex) and play with life, if you’re unwilling to ensure that the child you created will be taken cared of.

You said, “I don’t think people realize how traumatizing abortion can be… I have heard rape victims say their abortion was worse than their rape..”

Again, agreed, 100%! It is for this reason that I recommend a high school awareness and a 48 month pre-abortion counseling to teach EVERYONE about fetal development, what abortion procedures are like, the psychological/physical risks, the harms of all forms of coercion (including abortion and sexual coercion), and all forms of exploitation and abuse.

This proposal would instill a value for life, and respect for women’s bodies, well before pregnancy. It does not mandate abortion for rape victims and imply that it’s their best option.

Let’s also keep in mind that thousands of babies are already being aborted, INCLUDING IN PRO-LIFE STATES BECAUSE OF MAIL-ORDER ABORTION PILLS, and only 0.5% of those are via rape/incest, and we should fight to save as many lives as possible.

BTW, I explained my rational about my support of a rape/incest exception, in a previous response to someone else who also said that the exception punishes a child. Here was my detailed response:

RIGHT TO MATERNAL/FETAL HEALTHCARE & EDUCATION to stabilize the abortion issue - #434 by AshleyLuna

Thank you for your thoughtful consideration.

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You did a wonderful job!

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Beautifully stated - thanks for sharing!

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I’m sorry but the “Pro-life” label you throw around is still a death cult label and your still using the extremely unlikely need for an abortion, that being rape and incest which is less than 1 percent. Each state has the right to set it’s policy on the subject and no federal laws are needed, government overreach in all aspects of life are way to invasive and goes against the founding fathers intent. People need to exercise adult behaviors and be responsible for their actions, allowing abortion to rescue them from poor choices, especially federally, or more specifically, tax funded is a hard NO! The responsibility to help those in need falls on the church and the medical community not the tax payer. Furthermore, as long as their is an organization such as planned parenthood out there selling baby body parts I will never support such an evil and monstrous notion.

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Response to Anthony:

  • The majority of pro-lifers support a rape exception.
  • Abortion, inter-state commerce and issues related to protecting a person’s “life, liberty and property” are BOTH state and federal issues.
  • Regarding your comment about people’s “need to exercise adult behaviors and be responsible” – this proposal has NOTHING to do with elective abortions for voluntary pregnancies or supporting Planned Parenthood. Also, Trump made clear that abortion bans are not on the table.
  • Finally, since you admit you support federal complacency, you are actively supporting the current practice of state-supported fetal genocide and therefore lack the principles to be making such pretentious remarks to someone actually trying to do something about it.
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There’s already a medical procedure for babies that are enviable. It’s called a DNC. When I was 16 I was raped and had an abortion. I wasn’t told how traumatizing it would be. I still have ptsd from it decades later. When I was pregnant with my son, they thought that I had a fallopian tube pregnancy so they went in to do the DNC. I had miscarried his twin. My son was born healthy thank the most high. There are restrictions on abortion for a reason. 12 to 15 weeks is plenty of time to find out if there’s a pregnancy and to take care of things accordingly. It shouldn’t be used as a form of birth control or because the baby isn’t wanted. There are states that allow abortion up to 30 days after birth. That is completely ridiculous to me. There are plenty of people that would love to adopt. People need to start using common sense and use condoms and other types of birth control and stop opening their legs for every Tom,Dick and Harry just because of hormones. The PTSD that comes with rape can be debilitating and can be the root cause of major relationship issues later in life. It also causes bad karma later because of obvious reasons. Abortion should remain a state issue. The only reason it went federal is because Roe got paid to go testify. She never had the abortion that she claimed she wanted and she gave her daughter up for adoption. The daughter found out and it destroyed her emotionally.

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Response to Heather:

I have researched this matter thoroughly and added a google doc with all of my links/sources (at the end of my proposal) as a reference. The following facts are based on that research. It also seems that you did not read the entire proposal.

  • There is no exception to abortion bans simply for being “nonviable.” Doctors in pro-life states often delay, or refuse to do the D & C for nonviable pregnancies unless there is an imminent risk of death. Your example of having a son born healthy despite a high risk pregnancy is probably the reason why some doctors feel unsure if the likely nonviable pregnancy falls under the pro-life laws’ life of the mother exception.
  • I agree that 12-15 weeks should be a federal restriction for elective abortion. However, Trump already said he would not support any abortion ban whatsoever.
  • The fact that many states like California and Minnesota allow abortion until birth, as well as post-birth infanticide for abortion survivors, is more than “ridiculous” (although I’m glad you agree). It’s genocide. Only a federal policy can stop states from doing that and luckily we have the 5th, 10th and 14th amendments to protect against governments who deny a person their “life, liberty or property” without due process. My proposal includes protections for viable babies in late term elective abortions and after birth.
  • This proposal doesn’t obligate anyone into having an abortion because of rape or any other reason. Abortion can be traumatizing for ALL women, not just rape victims, and this proposal offers 48 hour true informed consent and more general awareness about the risks of abortion, and about her options/rights (including adoption). It also will save thousands of unborn babies from mail-order pills and from late term elective abortion. The advent of mail-order pills and sanctuary states have served as an attack on states’ rights attempts to protect their residents from elective abortion, and has further cemented abortion as an issue of “inter-state commerce” eligible for federal regulation per the constitution.
  • Abortion has always been a federal (and state) issue, which is why both GOP and Democrat legislators have routinely proposed and voted on various federal laws and regulations related to abortion and medical standards, both well before Roe v. Wade and after.
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I agree that abortion is very traumatic for any girl or woman that has one regardless of the reason why it’s necessary. This is a state only issue to me. Most of the medical abortions are done at hospitals in the ER because of the doctors not listening to their patients. I should know I was a nurse. I agree with President Trump. My body my choice for all issues. There are other options other than abortion that need to be promoted. I think we’re agreeing on the issue just wording it differently.

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This proposal is not in disagreement with President Trump, though, as it does NOT call for abortion bans and continues to not only allow states to set their own gestational limits, but strengthens them.

This proposal is in agreement with his stance against late term elective abortion and post birth medical neglect/infanticide for viable babies, as well as his support for rape exceptions.

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I am impressed with your well researched and well written proposal. I saw many things that I agree with, but I also have some concerns.

*I believe there needs to be clear, concise and global language/vocabulary for all parties inregard to misscarrage v abortion for insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, clinics, etc. so that there is no ambuguity period.
*Funding to build and staff centers in areas that are low in care centers.
*Education in public schools about abortion. (Not clear who would be considered entities w/o bias, do they exsist)
*Better description of viability of medical care given to babies born despite abortion. Every baby should receive care for comfort regardless of viability, hospice care should be provided to babies as they may pass in comfort.
*I support abortion in the case of rape or incest only. This is where vocabulary needs to be clear, ectopic pregnancy care are not abortions, care is needed to prevent a mother’s life from ending due to rupture of tube…language must be clear for all parties involved

These are my intial concerns after one read through…I will need to read again for better comprehension and to be clear in understanding.

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Educate, do not legislate.

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Yes, but the pro-life movement has already outdone themselves making excellent, very intelligent, well-sourced educational materials, articles, factsheets, videos, etc., however the pro-choice movement still beats them on the ballot box because pro-choice movement outfunds them 3 to 1, and has Mainstream Media in their pockets. Pro-abortion propaganda and lies outpaces the pro-lifer’s most valiant efforts. Only a federal platform can change that.

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This proposal is a thoughtful approach that prioritizes education and support, addressing critical gaps in the current abortion debate. By emphasizing education about abortion procedures, their outcomes, and the potential physical and psychological impacts on both women and babies post-abortion, it empowers individuals with the knowledge needed to make informed decisions. Comprehensive, non-ideological education can help dispel harmful misinformation and provide clarity on the realities of abortion, fostering greater understanding and compassion. Coupled with robust support systems for pregnant women and parents, this initiative ensures that individuals are equipped with the resources they need to navigate their choices responsibly, ultimately promoting healthier outcomes for families and communities.

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As mentioned in an earlier reply, I believe that loose morals have contributed to this firey argument. If the population wants to be loose and screw with abandon then they should be faced with the reality of handling the pregnancy THEMSELVES. The cost, the inconveinency, and the choice of voluntary or judicial sterilization. ( in the case of mulltiple pregnancies). Children are the innocent loosers here. Remove the children from unmarried couples and place with FAMILIES that are solid. No government subsidies. No government involvment. Its choices and consequences, age old premise in action.

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10th Amendment of the US Constitution: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This is a states issue, not a federal issue. Take the matter up with your state legislature.