Can you write a source for ‘the data’?
I get the sentiment, but Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution gives zero power over this issue to the federal government. The 10th Amendment explicitly gives such powers to the states and the people. In this case, DSM-5 isn’t even a state publication, it belongs to the corporate ‘person’ known as the American Psychiatric Association. This matter would best be taken up with APA.
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Exactly… yet today its funded by taxes and pushed by media and in schools to children.
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Watch the water is a useful statement when it comes to sex change or even the gay community when one considers the drugs that have been added to the water supply. Wonder how many people would be upset to find out they are gay or trans because of this alone? We also need to look at the mental stability of parents who push transgenderism on children from birth to age of consent.
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Good point.
One might be able to suggest that this issue applies to the federal government by the given intention to promote science, coupled with the elastic clause of making other laws as necessary and proper to promote these goals.
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I’m a strict interpreter of the Constitution, so I naturally am unenthused about stretching clear text to include things that aren’t enumerated powers. We’re in this dire situation today because too many people in the past have stretched constitutional text far beyond its clear meaning.
The specific clause you alluded to is “To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;”
IOW, promoting the progress of science is the aim, but the specific enumerated power is the issuing of copyrights and patents. So the government can do what’s ‘necessary and proper’ to issue copyrights and patents, but that’s as far as this power extends. It doesn’t, for example, give the government power over the APA to make copyright conditional on reinstating transsexualism as a mental disorder.
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Agree except for funding more research. We do not need more research which is just a waste of tax payer monies. Research is also code for money laundering. IF private entities want to use their private funds to research so be it. No public funding of research by tax payer monies.
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Clearly this is a mental health issue. Also, I think there is a “fad” component in this. The media helps recruit for this phenomenon and normalizes this. Furries too!
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It is already classified as that - people just ignore that fact
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Agreed! The fact that theyre utilizing John Money and Alfred Kinsey to support transitioning is scary. To consider that these doctors were anything but fraudulent researchers and child abusers would be wrong. The reverence for them needs to end. Simultaneously, teaching this to our children in school to indoctrinate them should be illegal.
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As a trans person, I really appreciate the 99% thoughtful points made here. I’d like to add some insights which I’ve had, to enrich the conversation.
- This is not the top priority issue in this day and age. Gender is being used to divide the country, so we ignore the more critical and even existential issues, such as the migrant invasion, vax-induced death and disability, corruption at all levels etc.
- Glyphosate, Atrazine, PFAs and more all physiologically feminize humans on a cellular and even genetic level. Glyphosate / MLOY (The Y chromosome disappears). Atrazine : Frog study where 90% of males were feminized, 10% actually became fully female.
We eat this stuff and swim in it in our rivers and lakes.
How about we clean up our food and stop feminizing our children, before we decide that being trans is or is not a mental disorder? Personally, I suspect the mind receives input from the cells of the body, thus a feminized body equates to a feminized mind.
I propose one simple policy:
Any chemical which affects the endocrine / hormonal system of any mammal, is defined as a TOXIN and is phased out over a very quick timeframe.
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Agree
Well number 1, much of this data needs to be rigorously reviewed because of the recent politicization of scientific publishing. Many journals have been redacted as a result of publishing falsified data which was politically motivated.
Also, the identification of a physical difference between two clusters of individuals (say in this case, man vs trans-man) makes total sense, but is not the concern here. The concern is “how the physical difference manifests itself”. And one of the major things that manifests as a result transgenderism is suicide, which does not decrease as a result of cosmetic intervention and/or hormone therapy in long-term studies. There are other things as well such as depression/anxiety but suicide is probably the thing most people are concerned about preventing, which is why people are largely concerned about studying the topic as a disorder, because they want to figure out how to prevent that.
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That’s a very good point. The only place it seems the legislatures could step in is to not allow minors to receive surgeries for gender transitions under the reasoning that minors can’t make other surgical decisions. Given that we don’t know so much about the effectiveness of these surgeries, it would be easier to prove it’s dangers and inconsistencies in the way we apply protections to kids. Parental consent would not override a law meant to protect kids.
The other side would have to prove this law would harm kids. That’s a near impossible task.
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When you look into the demonic origins of the transgender and queer movement as a whole here in the United States it is wrought with pedophiles, Nazi child rapists, and two brothers where one is forced to live as a girl and perform sex acts on each other. Thank you John Money at Johns Hopkins, Alfred c Kinsey, and Fritz von Balluseck for that. Same with Margaret Sanger’s Planned Parenthood.
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I will always support utilizing resources for research. I would rather spend $50 billion researching the brain and how we can be more mentally healthy than spend $50 billion on yet another forever war.
I don’t think the ability to change gender is relevant to the discussion of whether or not we should utilize resources to research gender dysphoria. Perhaps that research would uncover some key mechanism that leads to gender dysphoria, and then future generations would not have to go through those experiences in the first place. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a scenario where doing more research ended up having a net negative effect.
This 100% needs to be a thing. Us normal people are tired…
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I actually misremembered this one slightly. In the older cohort (those who transitioned prior to 1989) they had a higher rate of violent crime, but in the newer cohort (1989-2003) there was no statistically significant difference between transgender people and the averages for their birth sex.
This was my source for transgender victims of crime.
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The data was from the 90s and early 2000s, which, to the best of my knowledge, is before gender dysphoria had really become a political topic. That’s mainly been within the past 8-10 years from what I can tell.
Additionally, I believe we might be looking at different data or suicide outcomes. This article is rather interesting Suicide-Related Outcomes Following Gender-Affirming Treatment: A Review - PMC and it covers a few different risk factors, such as transgender individuals being much more likely to experience chronic health conditions and mental health disorders.
Now, a very fascinating question, very closely related to the discourse around all the MAHA stuff: why is there a higher rate of chronic illness in the transgender population? I can’t find the numbers right now, but I’m aware that Autistic individuals are more likely to be trans, and that Autistic individuals are additionally more likely to have certain chronic illnesses such as Ehlers Danlos or POTS. I personally know several individuals who have some overlap between multiple, or all, of these categories, and the data suggests a high degree of overlap too.
An interesting hypothesis has emerged, I suggest you read this: RCCX Genetic Module Theory - MEpedia as it is a very fascinating (albeit dense) read. There appears to be a gene module that is linked to many of these chronic health conditions, various mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and depression, autism, and gender dysphoria/fluidity.
Is it possible that the same environmental conditions that are leading to the increase in allergies and chronic illness are also leading to the rise in gender dysphoria? Maybe. It’s an interesting area where I think a lot more research needs to be done (and I think you agree with that, based on you saying the data needs to be rigorously reviewed.)
Anyway, back to the actual point (sorry, this is a topic I’m intensely interested in and I get carried away) the data from that first study did show a decrease in suicidal ideation and outcomes, although the analysis said that more rigorous methodology was needed in many of the studies they looked at.
Additionally, I found an analysis of 51 studies that concluded that 93% of these studies found a generally positive effect of gender aligning care, and 7% reported mixed or null findings. I’ve just skimmed this, as I’m a little pressed for time at the moment (I’m procrastinating right now, I know) so I’m not entirely familiar with their metholodogy and I haven’t read the studies themselves, so take my response with a grain of salt, but feel free to read it yourself What We Know | What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know
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I agree. There are real and concerning issues with our environment harming our citizens. They need to be removed ASAP. We are on the verge of a crisis of birth decline and testosterone decline.
I wish gender wasn’t used to divide. Unfortunately, when the gov’t starts changing the Title IX rules to include gender rules for children, it starts to involve parents, and they begin to rebuke it. There should be respect for differences (encouraged and enforced), while people and/or parents feeling like they are being force fed something they don’t want to eat. Thats the beauty of our nation; we can be whatever we want to be.
In regard to gender reassignment, I personally find it concerning due to the redacted research , lack of follow up studies on happiness and improved quality of life, and the fact that Money and Kinsey are valued.
Additionally, it concerns me that I believe a subset of our population is vulnerable to exploitation to make money from due to the sheer cost of gender reassignment. I want people to live their best life in whatever way they chose, but there need to be protections afforded to them that ensure they are safely evaluated prior to completing a procedure that could forever change their life.
On that note - It does fall to let someone make their choice to reassign. We as a nation most close the door on letting children make such choices, who are even more vulnerable to pee pressure and the social construct of school and desiring acceptance at any and all cost. Therefore, such choices must only occur as an adult. There are studies that say our brains are evolving/learning into our twenties.
There needs to be acceptance while also not forcing a social construct that says thats the only answer to happiness; in a form of risk mitigation/least invasive to most invasive structure to ensure that patient has full understanding/scope of expectations so that they can consent fully and without concerns of doubt.
I’ve seen a study from an independent researcher that patients who have completed gender reassignment are most suicidal 7-10yrs after surgery. When I began working we discussed gender reassignment surgeries in 2014 - and at that time these procedures didnt happen regularly, as they weren’t deemed to have consistent and reliable results. Within four years that rapidly changed, and then an experimental procedure was widely accepted and promoted. It leads me to wonder why more evaluation hasnt occurred? To evaluate does not mean to question or intend to inflict doubt. To evaluate is to educate and to perform process improvement and to provide transparency to our population that is considering this surgery. I personally, do not want anyone to experience any pain that can be avoided- and to be the best steward for this subset of our population, we owe it to them to research, educate, inform them their choice is forever, and that while it could make them the happiest of their lives but it isnt guaranteed.