National Language Act

Bro you stated the ‘your gen doesn’t know any better’ first.

I was making an analogy about your comment and comparing it to one I made. Obviously i don’t think your background or age has anything to do with your understanding, I was taking a jab at you for thinking so.

I’d call recent events only the beginning, and nothing compared to real tyranny.

Ive sent this link multiple times. There are several other avenues for reestablishment of citizen involvement in their government, and reestablishment of unity and production other than cultural assimilation.

@TinaFahy a national language is not the solve for issues you list, please read:

Both of you @TinaFahy @SocialismIsSlavery seem to think you’re discussing this with ‘CNN’ or the ‘Left agenda’ but I assure you that our main disagreement lies in cultural assimilation policy, so there is little need to go off on tangents dealing with non-issues.

I can clearly see by the responses that neither party has taken an interest in any of the resources I provided above, being my views, proposals, historical links, etc. How can I continue a conversation with a wall?

Stop letting identity politics rule the forefront of your mind. Read what ive provided to understand my stance before word vomiting on the thread some more.

Why do you think that we didn’t read the resources you provided?
It’s just that the history of Native Americans deonstrates what is wrong with your proposals: Native Americans let Europeans come and bring their culture and their economy with them, and when both the economy and the culture became incompatible with natives, natives lost. You propose the United States repeat the mistake that Native Americans made and compare the opinions of those who disagree with you with the 1930s Germany. This is the major problem with your arguments on the cultural assimilation policies. Immigration without assimilation leads to segregation, over-taxation, or conquest of the USA by communist China, Radical Islamists, and South American drug cartels, whoever will win the war over the USA. Do you think China will let you keep English as your language or Islamists will let American women have the freedom they believe they have? Do you know that Mexican drug cartels operate from Bozeman and turn Montana reservations into drug addicts, but Bozeman city commissioners are too busy pushing DEI policies even to acknowledge that cartels exist?
As I already mentioned, some cultures are antagonistic to each other and can not coexist in the same country at the same time. Our choice is to either create policies that prevent adversary cultures from conquering America or to give up and be conquered.

This statement proves you either didn’t read this, or perhaps didn’t make the connection between the State of Georgia not recognizing the Cherokee Nation as a ‘foreign entity’ due to the exact mentality of this proposal, being cultural assimilation and an official culture, race, creed.

This statement proves you don’t see the blatant hypocrisy perpetuated by support of such a policy. No The CCP, just like the Uighers, will force anyone who doesnt assimilate onto camps, just as we did in the past, just like the type of policy proposal will snowball into.

Iran-Contra is proof that the US supported the creation of the cartels to the south, and perpetuates the monied war on drugs in order to reap further division and financial gain. Stop drinking the cool-aid.

No, you don’t have to fight cultural assimilation and state atheism with cultural assimilation and state religion. We can be better than them, better than we were.

The US needs to produce, so do the Tribes, that’s the solve, self-sufficiency and ultimate autonomy → united under a constitution. How could you refute that?

Overtaxation and segregation are the result of Intolerable Acts like the Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929, The Federal Reserve Act, The Emergency Banking Act of 1933, and Executive Order 6102.

Not to mention the 16th Amendment.

Also you prove my point with reservations with the link you provided, neither the State governments or the Federal government will provide the literal enbodied law enforcement or the ability to create proper law enforcement. Due to the multi-tax system and complete lack of government revenue caused by the socialist welfare state of federal land trust ownership they currently live under. Pure dependency, socialist control, established by nationalistic assimilation policy.

I didn’t say, ‘your generation doesn’t know any better.’ I never meant to say that my generation is any better than yours. After all, my generation of Americans created the mess that your generation is expected to clean up.
My point is that while too many older Americans still live in the bubble of believing that hard work and dedication guarantee success in America, younger Americans know that unless their parents have lots of money and political connections, or they can claim victimhood status to get DEI positions, hard work doesn’t pay.
The problem is with finding solutions. Way too many Millenials and Gen Z think that they would be better off under socialism, the system that makes social inequality permanent and inevitably leads to tyranny. They know that crony capitalism failed them, but they don’t understand that crony capitalism is socialism.

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Thanks for clarification.

Well maybe you should read this instead of falling into the same identity division as they are by linking my understanding to my generation. I have nothing to do with most people’s opinions.

I respond because I care how you view the world, and I care about my values and ideology. I want to get a clear understanding between us. Regardless of what that is, I would fight and die for your right to say it. So thank you for discussing with me.

Tribes don’t need another handout. Give a man a fish he’ll eat for a day, teach them to fish and they’ll eat for life. They need change, the correct change. You’ve been arguing against a force that hasnt been present this whole time.

Cultural assimilation is what got them into this mess. Real integration could have prevented this situation. They’re living in exactly what you fear from China, ultimate socialist control established by nationalistic assimilation policies. Can’t you see I’ve been promoting production, representation, and integration or self-sufficiency under sovereignty? There are 6.6 million in this situation. If it were the 6 million people in my home state of Missouri would you not rise to my defense against tyranny?

Croney capitalism and consumerism will be the death of a free, opportunitistic market.

Please read, the proposal above, the Full Cherokee History and the link in the thread above entitled ‘Issues with the US Government and Debt Economy as it Functions in 2024’

@moderators is there a way to see what key words trigger an approval?

In my opinion, the last great generation was in the 1950’s.

  1. I’m afraid that you and I have different understandings of what cultural assimilation is.
  2. Yes, I read the Cherokee Nation’s history from your link. I also read Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, 30 US 5 Pet 1 1 (1831). I don’t know where you found that the State of Georgia did not recognize the Cherokee Nation as a ‘foreign entity.’ I have no idea why you think that Georgia’s decision to relocate Cherokees forcefully and rob them of their property has anything to do with the proposal to stop forcing American taxpayers to pay their money to accommodate the desires of immigrants not to learn English. In Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, 30 US 5 Pet. 1 1 (1831,), the Cherokee Nation asked the Supreme Court to recognize them as a foreign nation that is not subject of US jurisdiction while providing them legal and military protection from the state of Georgia. U.S. Supreme Court recognized them as a State but not a foreign State. The case results could have differed if the Cherokees had asked SCOTUS to recognize them as a U.S. state. However, this case was not about language, culture, or creed but about land and property rights.
  3. I’m glad that you understand that China, if allowed to conquer this country, will force Americans into camps. But, if you understand this, how can you agree to let Chinese immigrants install their ideology in American schools and Academia?
  4. I’m not here to discuss whose fault it is that America is in such a mess. I believe this forum’s mission is to let people discuss solutions to clean up this mess. Most of your proposals are good, and I agree with them. I don’t understand why you insist on forcing Americans to pay their taxes to let foreigners dictate their rules on Americans, which is why I think that your understanding of cultural assimilation is different than mine. So, what is a cultural assimilation?
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Because Chinese immigrants are not the CCP. Nor are Germans n***s.
I’m getting this information from the links I provided you, of the Cherokee National History.

‘Cherokee Nation asked the Supreme Court to recognize them as a foreign nation that is not subject of US jurisdiction while providing them legal and military protection from the state of Georgia. U.S. Supreme Court recognized them as a State but not a foreign State.’

So you’re ignoring the fact a US court ruled that an organized communicative People, were not in fact a ‘foreign state’ and thus were subject to Georgian Law over their own Soverignty?

The great majority of the Nation’s members remained in the east, refusing to abandon their ancestral homelands despite the best efforts of the United States lure them to the Arkansas Territory. By 1827, as a result of further cessions confirmed in a 1819 treaty, most of the Nation’s remaining lands were located in Georgia. Starting in this year, the part of the Nation which remained in the east, led by Principal Chief John Ross, entered into a multi-year struggle with the state of Georgia to remain in and protect their aboriginal homelands from Georgia’s efforts to take over Cherokee country in that state. In 1827, the Cherokee Nation adopted a written Constitution modeled on that of the United States, to which Georgia responded the following year by declaring the Cherokee government abolished and its citizens subject to the laws of Georgia. The Cherokees replied by filing suit in the Supreme Court of the United States challenging these actions.

This case, Cherokee Nation v. Georgia (1831), ended with a majority of the Court deciding that the Court had no original jurisdiction under Article III of the U.S. Constitution to hear the suit because the Nation was not a foreign State, a requirement for such original jurisdiction cases in the Supreme Court, but was instead a “domestic dependent nation.” The Court therefore dismissed the case without considering whether Georgia’s actions were lawful. The following year, the Cherokee Nation supported a case filed in the Supreme Court by Samuel Worcester, a missionary and U.S. Postmaster residing in the Cherokee Nation who had been imprisoned under Georgia law for residing in the Nation’s limits without a state license. That case, Worcester v. Georgia (1832), was a victory for the Cherokee Nation. The Court held that Georgia had no power to impose its laws in the Cherokee Nation. Nevertheless, the determination of then-President Andrew Jackson to remove the Cherokees and other southeastern Indian nations from their aboriginal territories resulted in the 1835 Treaty of New Echota. The Cherokees who signed that treaty lacked authority to do so under Cherokee Nation law, but nevertheless purported to agree, on behalf of the Nation, to relinquish the Cherokee Nation’s lands east of the Mississippi and to remove to the Reservation west of the Mississippi, where the Nation could exercise the right to govern itself, among other rights, privileges, and assurances.

Forced Removal, Internal Conflict, and Reunification

Because the vast majority of Cherokee people refused to voluntarily abandon their ancestral homelands despite the Treaty of New Echota, the United States, in 1838, deployed troops under General Winfield Scott to forcibly round up the Cherokee people into relocation camps and from there remove them overland to the Reservation west of the Mississippi on what would come to be known as the Trail of Tears. Some 4,000 Cherokees who were forcibly removed from their homes (about one-fourth of the population) perished in camps or along the Trail of Tears.

The Bill and case you also cited states:

Under the promised “patronage and good neighbourhood” of the United States, a portion of the people of the nation have become civilized Christians and agriculturists, and the bill alleges that, in these respects, they are willing to submit to a comparison with their white brethren around them.

An act to add the territory lying within this State and occupied by the Cherokee Indians, to the counties of Carroll, De Kalb, Gwinett, Hall, and Habersham, and to extend the laws of this State over the same, and for other purposes."
That afterwards, to-wit in the year 1829, the Legislature of the said State of Georgia passed another act, which received the assent of the Governor on the 19th December of that year, entitled,
“An act to add the territory lying within the chartered limits of Georgia, now in the occupancy of the Cherokee Indians, to the counties of Carroll, De Kalb, Gwinett, Hall, and Habersham, and to extend the laws of this State over the same, and to annul all laws and ordinances made by the Cherokee Nation of Indians, and to provide for the compensation of officers serving legal processes in said territory, and to regulate the testimony of Indians, and to repeal the ninth section of the Act of 1828 on this subject.”

The effect of these laws, and their purposes, are stated to be to parcel out the territory of the Cherokees; to extend all the laws of Georgia over the same; to abolish the Cherokee laws, and to deprive the Cherokees of the protection of their laws;

to prevent them, as individuals, from enrolling for emigration, under the penalty of indictment before the State courts of Georgia; to make it murder in the officers of the Cherokee government to inflict the sentence of death in conformity with the Cherokee laws, subjecting them all to indictment therefor, and death by hanging; extending the jurisdiction of the justices of the peace of Georgia into the Cherokee territory, and authorising the calling out of the militia of Georgia to enforce the process; and finally, declaring that no Indian, or descendant of any Indian, residing within the Cherokee Nation of Indians shall be deemed a competent witness in any court of the State of Georgia, in which a white person may be a party, except such white person resides within the said nation.

“when they had reduced their territory into as small a compass as their own convenience would bear, and they then accordingly resolved to cede no more.”

The bill proceeds to refer to the act of Congress of 1830 entitled “An act to provide for an exchange of lands with the Indians residing in any of the States or territories, and for their removal west of the Mississippi.”

Need I say more? Because the sources you stated prove my point. Cultural Assimilation policy, violation of Treaties, socialist dependancy under nationalistic assimilation. Forced removal, ethnic cleansing, assimilation policy.

I don’t insist on paying for foreigner education. My tax dollars are thrown everywhere, they don’t need to be there too.

I insist that the US needs NO official language or culture, regardless of the standardization of the language used for the construction of legislation which has been upheld in court. Cultural assimilation policy is the ‘too far’ in unifcation efforts. It also is not a matter of whose fault, all of those people are dead, but the solutions lie right ahead of us.

These people still live in political and sovereign limbo under socialist dependency oppression, without representation. Our acknowledgement of the past prevents it from repeating in the future, our education of an acceptance of our mistakes will help us right the wrongs, not punish the responsible.

Unity and independence is a tightrope we must walk together.

How is an English requirement for emigration, and a constitution test not enough assimilation? Otherwise we need stronger border policy, not further assimilation policy.

An observation here: For those who scream the loudest against this policy, and insist upon “diversity of language at all costs”, read their other posts on other topics. 9 times out of 10, they will be taking a side that is AGAINST a strong America. I am already noticing this trend and I have to wonder why these people are even here, unless of course, to Make America Weak Again. Another observation, I have seen a consistant behavior with the liberal mindset - liberals always defend the exception instead of the rule, and expect the majority to bend to the will of the exception. It never fails. It is like hard-wiring in their brains. They always look for the exception to defend, at the expense of the norm. It is not a unique form of logic – it leans more toward a common mental illness, affecting 20%+ of the population. A cursory review of one’s posts spanning a week or so will reveal this liberal-esque mental ‘trait’. They can be identified as passionately disagreeing with 80%+ of any given forum. Interesting, to say the least.

One can only crap on the American Dining Room Table so often before their sad song is ‘figured out’. Nuf said. :musical_note: :poop: :notes:

Who u talkin bout willis?

Oh hey there. I was just telling the ENTIRE ROOM room to click on the profile of the person speaking and telling them to read through EVERYTHING they posted in the past week and weigh it against this metric: DOES THEIR POST REPRESENT A POSITION THAT MAKES AMERICA “STRONGER” OR “WEAKER”? You should try it yourself…it really tells a lot about the poster. And it makes one wonder what their ulterior motive is, if it is against the American People who are posting here. You see, when you look down on them at 50k feet, you can start seeing the pattern they form. :slight_smile:

Because Chinese immigrants are not the CCP. Nor are Germans n***s.

Not all Germans were n***s in Nazi Germany. Not all Chinese immigrants are CCP members. However, most Germans kept loyalty to Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei from the beginning to the end of WWII.
Most Chinese immigrants keep loyalty to the CCP.
The reason is simple: to get into the USA, they must leave China. To get permission to leave China, they must have the highest social credit score. Loyalty to the CCP is the primary factor determining a social credit score. Those who are not loyal enough (I mean genuine devotion, not fake pretending) to the CCP have a social credit score so low they don’t have the right to move within China, not to mention to leave China and move to a non-communist country. These people truly believe that China is a superior nation to all other nations and that everyone must accept this. Chinese who managed to escape the regime have a great repsect for America, and their main concern is, as Lili Tang Williams once said, “I’m afraid that the country I love is becoming the country I left.”

So you’re ignoring the fact a US court ruled that an organized, communicative People were not, in fact, a ‘foreign state’ and thus were subject to Georgian Law over their own Sovereignty?

No, I’m not ignoring this fact, nor do I think the SCOTUS decision on Cherokee Nation v. Georgia (1831) could be morally justifiable based on modern American moral standards.

However, regardless of morality standards, it’s not the SCOTUS’s job to decide on principles of morality. Their job is to determine the constitutionality of laws and disputes between the states.

Cherokees claimed that “the Cherokee Nation of Indians, a foreign state, not owing allegiance to the United States , nor to any State of this union, nor to any prince, potentate or State, other than their own.”

The court decided that “the Supreme Court lacked original jurisdiction over the case. While Georgia was indeed a state, the Cherokee Nation was not a state of the union or a foreign state; rather its “relation to the United States resembles that of a ward to its guardian.” In other words, the Indian tribes (Native Nations) were considered “domestic dependent nations.” Thus, the Cherokee did not have the right to sue Georgia in the US court system.”

Need I say more? Because the sources you stated prove my point. Cultural Assimilation policy, violation of Treaties, socialist dependency under nationalistic assimilation. Forced removal, ethnic cleansing, assimilation policy.

Your point is that “violation of Treaties, socialist dependency under nationalistic assimilation, forced removal, and ethnic cleansing” are evil policies. You are right, and I’m not arguing against it. However, you forgot that in the case of Native Americans, they were here first, and Europeans were invaders who conquered the land and enforced their rules on Native Americans. Now, the territory of the USA belongs to Americans; migrants who move here are either refugees who are here to be helped by Americans or invaders who are here to conquer the land and enforce the rules on Americans they decide to keep alive. So, the sources I stated prove my point: don’t repeat the mistakes that Native Americans made by accepting Europeans without requiring them to assimilate.

How is an English requirement for immigration and a constitutional test not enough assimilation?

  1. If you think that passing the Naturalisation test means an applicant demonstrates proficiency in English and knowledge of the US Constitution, you are wrong. I passed this test. For me, it was an insult to my intelligence because the lady who interviewed me was so afraid that I could fail it; she talked to me like I was a toddler who had just learned the alphabet, and my knowledge of the Constitution was limited to spelling the USA correctly.
  2. Even if a constitutional test would not be a joke, passing it is not enough assimilation. As I mentioned, cultures are different, and many are incompatible. For instance, in many parts of Russia, the marriage is defined by “бьет значит любит,” meaning “he beats you, it means he loves you.” The same is true for most Islamic countries. Islam considers homosexual relations a crime punishable by death but is OK with adult men having sex with prepuberty boys. Child marriages are illegal in the USA, but are legal and moral in Islamic countries. Immigrants from many countries consider American teenage girls as adult women. When they see these girls alone without being chaperoned by adult men and dressed up as American teenage girls are usually dressed up, they think of these girls as sluts whom no man needs and no one protects. In America, eating pets and hunting in public parks is a crime. Many immigrants don’t see a difference between cats, dogs, and rabbits and between ducks sold in grocery stores and swimming in parks. Their understanding of private property is that if no one kills them for taking it, no one needs it, and they are free to take it. Cultural assimilation means understanding that if you come as an invader, you must be prepared to be arrested and deported, but if you come to become an American, you must learn and respect American laws and moral standards and be able to communicate with English speakers without forcing American taxpayers to pay for translators.

I could agree we need better Constitutional tests for immigrants, you would have more experience than me there.

The territory only now belongs to the US because of unbridled US expansion. The Cherokee Nation was not dependent on the US legislature pre 1831, this definition on due to the forced concessions and treaties signed from 1809-1829. The definition and view point of the Tribes being initially dependent is because of the previously established concessions that placed a need for trade with Western society. Their dependancy is the same as our current dependency on Chinese manufacturing.

My Cherokee Example is just one of the many, copy and paste the same actions for US expansion for over 100 years of genocide and assimilation.

It wasn’t the Europeans, it was the US government, between 1780 and 1930. The Shawnee, Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, Seminole, Pawnee, Osage, Fox, Sioux, Lakota, Blackfoot, Apache, Lenape, Pima, and many more were all victims of US expansionist policy not European nations.

The US didn’t view them as self sufficient because of their lack of gun manufacturing, paper manufacturing, agriculture, and permanent buildings. Due to the culture of temporary structures and hunter gatherer food production.

You dance around the reasons the US pushed into their territory, the reasons for removal, and the reason they didn’t define them as a foreign State. The same reason as diplomacy fell through with the Apache, they refused to be locked into one area, because a ‘reservation’ destroyed their migration culture.

I hate to say it, but you’re falling into a over 100 year old propaganda effort to define the natives as irresponsible dependents who were uncivilized and unknowing. When in fact they chose to live that way, and when faced with death, attemted to assimlate, but were denied because of their background.

I think we could both agree the immigration process could demand more from foreigners in terms of education of the political system.

Even if you’re right (which you are) about the loyalties of immigrants, the policy of the US can’t function on stereotypes and assumptions.

Cultures being incompatible like your example of Russians beating their wives is solved by US law. They come here and beat their wife and they’ll go to jail for assault and domestic abuse. Or for example your suggestion of under-age-marriage. A national language isn’t going to prevent pedos from arriving and gaining interest in children, US law enforcement is.

Not knowing the language is not an excuse for not following the Law. I don’t support a language diversity policy or a language enforcement policy.

If the (better version of which we both agree is needed) Constitution test for immigrants in provided in English only, and immigrants fail it due to their lack of understanding; without the provision of a translator, I’d say they fail.

Is this not a comprimise of strict English-only assimilation of US government functionality and therefore culture? We could have both; stop paying for translators and foreign education, while also stepping up the testing required for citizenship and moving on with no official language?

The reservation issue is seperate, just highly relates to the issue of ‘official culture’

I referanced vaccine mandates before because of the relation in the ‘snowball effect’ of policy. You wouldn’t want a government to mandate your culture.

I think the problem is that we have made others feel that they do not need to learn English and use English. We enable the foreign language. So now, it is demanded that we speak their foreign language. Another issue is that now we can’t speak with each other. So in comes separation. Then in comes regret and frustration. Until it gets to the point of where we wonder who are we as a country. Bottomline, we have enabled this behavior. Those who are against it will try to make you feel like some kind of “phobia or ism.” That is their tactic. Fear into submission.

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Please tell me about how it was demanded of you to speak a foreign language.

When asked a question and was told that we do not speak that language, we were yelled at. :smiley: (at a place of business). I know many who have had that type of encounter. Just because you have not experienced it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. We have enabled to this point.

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You’re right, I haven’t experienced that and it seems unimaginable. I regret that happened.

Foreign born US residents already have tremendous incentives to learn English and big consequences if they do not.

Similarly, everyone in the world has a potential reward for learning an additional language. I am pro-language, pro-multilingual because it fosters peace, wealth, and friendship.

My point to all of this is that if a line is not drawn, everyone will speak different languages. No one communicating with each other because they don’t know the language. After which comes chaos and separation; people lost and not knowing who they are as a country. One of the characteristics of a county is LANGUAGE. And to want that for your country does NOT mean you are one of those “isms or phobias.” It means one wants to communicate with neighbors. It creates a bond.

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