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Who cares if large farmers go bankrupt? Where does the concern for the perpetrators and catalysts come from? They are LITERALLY poisoning the well and your concern is for them?

I’ve spent so much time thinking about this. The large multi thousand acres farmers, the corporate farms. What would be the consequences of an immediate rules and market shift?
If you are indeed THEE farmer John, you know that no one can farm more than 1000 acres organically, unless maybe hay or hemp. So big guys…abd I love this part… HAVE TO GO SMALL(ER) OR GO HOME, .

Who cares if they go bankrupt, quit, abandon land and farms. Who cares of plots are broken up and sold at auction. WHO CARES. It NEEDS to happen, and that’s what healing and revitalization of rural areas and communities looks like, and I’m honestly shocked that someone like yourself finds value in seeking an imaginary middle ground and grey area on this, and if you are who I think you are, is actually contrary to your own values. Why continually stand in the way of what is the only answer. There is no value in preserving Big Ag mega farms, no matter how “legacy” they may be.

And just to be clear, entertaining ideas that it’s not possible to go full organic, means allowing SOME poison to be in our food/land/water/air… so what I’m getting at is why is there this conditioned response from gurus that our values should not be imposed on the perpetrators, when no matter how you slice it, THAT’S the only moral position. And anything less than that is IMMORAL, and continues to sacrifice the health of the masses.

How do I communicate I respect you a lot, but either change message, or be quiet. :slightly_frowning_face:

To be clear, if the law protected ME and my farm from drift and runoff, AND MY well water was free from nitrates and other farm chemicals, I would not probably offer an opinion. But the jig is up, and time is up. All one need do is look at Europe to see what our future will be here. No mega farms, no false advantage due to Chem tech, enabling industrialized scaling.

Be POSITIVE FARMER JOHN! Think possible, not impossible! And no sympathy for the devils.

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I repeat: 1) Dividing farmers into purists versus “the enemy” is counterproductive and undermines the likelihood of a successful transition; 2) your proposal would cause mass hardship not just for farmers but for the economy and consumers; 3) I do not say it’s impossible to go full organic. I say we do so by appealing to self interest, not more government edicts, and by unraveling the regulatory and fiscal (subsidies) harms government has inflicted. People need to eat while we reverse course – there simply is not enough organic food for all right now so your prescription is for famine. I don’t see that as moral, I see that as Mao.

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I’m not niave enough to think 100% change year 1 is possible. So no need to educate me on sudden market shifts, or famine.

And there’s really no need to worry about farmers who sell off mega plots, BECAUSE THEY WILL GET COMPENSATED at fair market value! I’m a conservative, not a moaist. And I don’t understand your motivation. This issue has never been a right/left issue, and it’s finally risen from the slime of partisan pigeon holing.

I’m trying to address this lingering malaise that those poisoning the acres should be coddled and looked after, patted on the head and given preference. This isn’t a repeat scenario of a past farm crisis. It’s a devastating monopoly that needs to be broken apart. Period.

If the innapropriate misplaced sympathizing wasn’t going on, I would simply say, my apologies and let it go, but it really is.

We don’t need to go whole hog year 1, but we don’t need to chill momentum, and give the swamp time to regroup and come up with more scams to shore up their monopolies. We may have only 4 years to get this done. Is that keeping it enough under the speed limit?

I would really hate to see 2028 roll around only to find the swamp did not get drained in agriculture. If there’s one thing the right is excellent at is endlessly fumbling the football.

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I have proposed five years – but my proposal is itself an effort to get that very conversation going. If we shifted or eliminated existing farm subsidies over 4-5 years it would make a dramatic change without roiling markets. It would also allow organic producers to scale up (mid-sized and smaller farms) to meet demand. And I don’t think you’re a Maoist :slightly_smiling_face:, I just meant that trying to massively shift agriculture could have calamitous unintended results. I think we are on the same page here… Though I am merely a conversation facilitator. :wink:

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You don’t understand the consequences of perpetual subsidy issue as it stands. What you interpret as support to farmers is actually slavery. It actually functions in the market to artificially suppress and keep down commodity crop prices and food producers products to BELOW true market value. It’s a racket that freezes out organic farmers and organic food producers from competing.

As an uneducated or cash strapped consumer, are you going to buy the $1.50 box of granola bars, or the $4.99 box with the green circle on it? Do you comprehend that the $4.99 price is actually the fair market value, and the $1.50 is below? Can you fathom that if gmo farmer’s can’t use convenience chems, and can’t use gmo’s that the 2 markets begin to even out?

Think on terms of eliminating subsidy, and the gmos/chems, now you have an even playing field, the costs of seeds, fuel, inputs to both sets of farmers is closer to the same, as the line begins to blur between both sets of farmers in the quality of the products becomes closer to the same quality, so…as a consumer, why would you buy any conventional product, if the clean and healthy stuff is around the same price point?

Let me just say the gmo crop subsidy continuity program from whatever Carter signed was only ever going to eventually be removed. Having 2 different subsidy programs and criteria to keep track of only means bigger gov. And 2 artificial markets to keep afloat. More middle men, corruption and fat cats at the top taking all the profit. You can’t have Trump, Rfk, Elon downsizing and eliminating graft and bloat WHILE ASKING FOR MORE SUBSIDY! JEEBUS CRIMINETTLY!!

Try and imagine that with the bans on gmo Chem ag, the market being able to FINALLY correct itself, and all farmers being able to make a good living without crutches and props from gov. Things have been so screwed up for so long it’s difficult to notice the conditioning, and bad policies we’ve had to adapt to. But more or “fair” subsidies is not the answer. There’s no such thing as fair subsidy. And you can’t slash the size of gov. While asking for the very thing that made it grotesquely obese in the first place. Get it together folks!

If we’re being honest when it comes to free markets, is allowing deflation to happen, and actually celebrating it when it does. The idea of ever increasing price points is what eventually leads to crashes and collapses. Deflation is great. It means most everything else I need to get by in life comes down in price too. Even if it’s not easy or comfortable at first. It needs to happen. $7 dozen eggs is ridiculous. For one example.

We just got a MANDATE. I’m expecting better from this thread going forward. Let me see your war face! :angry:

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This country needs to help the American Farmer Great Again so we can eat great again

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Ugh :man_facepalming:. That’s not a war face. SHOW ME YOUR WAR FACE Darlene! :angry:

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in Florida they do Sugar Cane…ing!

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Quickly as in 2025! Can’t come soon enough!

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I would like to ‘incentivize’ due to the fact we have the innovation to greatly increase HEALTHY yields. Remove/replace ALL current subsidies that don’t and provide them to those who embrace the innovation and practices to make the soil healthy again, to get them up and going. The increases will bring them the needed profits they greatly deserve, as well. Make Farmers Great Again!

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This is not a war face.

I’m against it. I don’t see how even a FINITE program, not an INFINITE one wouldn’t run the risk of being extended by a next incoming Democrat pres. It’s just not necessary.

You could have incentives from machinery manufacturers, seed companies sponsor dollar matching funds with the gov on a temporary basis farmers can apply for.

How about interest free government loans for farmers?

We might need a special program to deprogram the brainwashed conditioning though. To break free from the subsidy mindset.

Show me your war face.

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I made this video about big farm and soil health-

What’s up with the Soil?

Have you seen the documentary “The Need to Grow”. In this film Michael Smith and his closed loop energy system, using nature to produce energy and the waste is the best soil. But bottom line, we need to fix our soil to fix our food.

The Need To GROW | Watch the full film – free!

Also, there is a book about Urban farming, I forgot the exact name of the book, but the author actually went a month on only eating what she produced… I think we should create a template for communities to start down this path, not as extreme but at least get something going.

Finally, I think there is a lot of unused warehouse space and abandoned federal properties, that should be made into community centers and indoor community gardens, hydroponic, aeroponic and others.

I think if we pursue all these avenues for growing, we can eventually feed everyone or at least try.

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Will watch this documentary tonight

Anybody else on here run out of votes, reach your vote limit?

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see replies inline to your post:

I’m against it. I don’t see how even a FINITE program, not an INFINITE one wouldn’t run the risk of being extended by a next incoming Democrat pres. It’s just not necessary. I did not mean a ‘program’/incentives are not programs. I see where I boo-boo’d, but meant to say permanently remove subsidies for incentives,

You could have incentives from machinery manufacturers, seed companies sponsor dollar matching funds with the gov on a temporary basis farmers can apply for. Exactly, my company IS a machinery manufacturer.
[hyotechnologies.com]

How about interest free government loans for farmers? Exactly

We might need a special program to deprogram the brainwashed conditioning though. Exactly

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Here is another CRITICAL documentary video explaining the REAL reason for climate change. We can solve this and pretty fast, compared to what the hoax proposes.

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I don’t care about the religion of climate change, carbon capture. It’s not real. It’s a cult, and it’s political function is to transfer wealth to the globalist communist leftist authoritarian. The rhetoric is empty and evidence is nebulous and vague, and some of the most well meaning and honest people I know that’s dedicated their political lives to that movement, have dropped out and no longer support it, because like all cults, your loyalty to the cult comes first, before facts, and before “the science”. And by their own admission, the longer they were involved, the less and less it made sense. The whole thing runs on presumptions and assumptions, by the time you realize “the facts” are unattainable, you’ve wasted years of your life.

What has this movement achieved? Windmills? Solar?

Windmills, it took 10 years to find out they cost more than not using them ,and can’t be recycled or disposed of.

Solar. Is a finite resource and won’t be able to mine the resources in 20 years to keep going.

I care about nitrates and farm chemicals that persist in my well water. I care that it’s dangerous to eat fish caught in rivers and streams. I care about fluoride in water supplies. I like gas, diesel, and coal. Not a fan of fracking, but oil is a plentiful resource, and there is plenty of suppressed science, patents, and research that could make oil and alcohol power extremely efficient.

The people that get trapped in this movement are extremely well meaning, and extremely niave and uncreative. This is a wolf in sheep’s clothing to shift money and political power to those who will enslave us MORE.

Don’t be a dupe. If this issue was real, there would actually BE small pickup trucks still being manufactured. THEY’ve been gone from the market for decades! Toyota made trucks in the 70’s that got 40 mpg. Isuzu, Nissan, Chevy, Ford, dodge, etc all used to make small trucks. Most all got 21 mpg or higher. Now the environments in trouble, and every last one of them is now only making mid and full size trucks getting 13 - 17 mpg at best?!

LOL. FAKE!

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I believe your reply CONFIRMS you did NOT watch the Kiss the Ground movie I sent you. IT IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS

Get on your War Face and watch it/then reply.

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Found it on yt. Watching now.

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OK, good information. I’ve seen all the documentaries except this one. Have not heard about it before.

OK, here’s my war face,

Gabe Brown, Ray Archuleta, The Markegards should be on continual Salvage The Soil tour of the Midwest. The rest of the documentary is not going to matter or be respected, inspire the rural Midwestern farmer. Even if it’s useful and true. Nobody in rural America wants to be lectured by Gavin Newsome and various other libshits who they despise, and are completely out of touch with rural American values. Nobody with thousands of acres is going to start collecting and composting their own shit in a barrel. I thought I was watching Spinal Tap for a minute. Seriously? Know your audience. Farmers already know to spread livestock manure.

There’s 2 types of farmer. The urban suburban hipster farmer…the small scale backyardGardner, hobby farmer, csa farmers market farmer

And then there’s big acre row crop commodity farmers

The message cannot be the same one size fits all for both groups. Most of this documentary audience is already converted.

The audience that’s NOT converted is those people like Gabe can reach.

Gabe seems like someone they would give a chance to. And look at financial contrast between farming methods. I promise you no one in rural America with that many acres wants to hear anything Gavin Newsome, or Hollywood, or from France has to say about how they farm. They will be skeptical but willing to listen to someone like Gabe, but the exact opposite with most of the rest of the presenters. That’s the truth. Straight, no chaser.

And with them you should really take the tact of making it about HEALTH, their families, their livestock, rivers, streams, and most of all the water tables, none of which in ag states aren’t 100% contaminated with synthetics. THAT will reach them. Along with increased profits…

“The ENVIRONMENT” will not. That’s a politically charged word with baggage. And unnecessarily perpetuates political polarization on what is really a non political bipartisan concern. So why keep That aggregation and aggravation going.

Make it about HEALTH with them, and remove the word ENVIRONMENT from all vocabulary and presentations pertaining to big ag farming. All it’s doing is triggering their partisan reflex, resistance, and rejection of information. And driving them further into the open arms of their gmo seed dealers.

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How about a proposal, a $ .20 tax on every movie ticket, online movie purchase, every ticket master concert ticket sale which goes toward building or rehabilitating organic elevators and collection facilities for organic farmers and producers only, starting in the midwest.