Here in NH everything, state and local and school tax, is heaped on the property tax. I feel bad for seniors on fixed incomes with this as all these taxes go up. Schools the most.
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It has traditionally been a local tax to support public schools and other community government and programs. There must be a way to do this that still allows our community programs to be financed. In the 1800âs and before, people in the community gave voluntary monthly subscriptions to pay their school teachers and provided housing. Parents provided school supplies for their children. In big cities, this would be very difficult. Some families canât afford school supplies for their children.
You canât just say, âget rid of this taxâ. It must be made up for somewhere. Any ideas?
Are you even reading the posts of others, or are you simply waiting for the policy proposer to give you all the answers? This should be a team effort by everyone here to come up with ideas that move the policy proposal forward â or give obvious reasons why it cannot/should not move forward.
Borrowing logic from you, and stated in reverse, âYou canât simply say that something cannot be done without showing everyone else the reasons WHY it canât be done.â (And simply saying, in a discussion forum, that âit has to be replacedâ is not good enough since even a child can make that leap of logic).
Now, if you would have read my post, only a few posts above yours, you would have seen a lot of info, including the following attempted solution proposed for group discussion:
Before you shoot down entertaining anything besides, supporting the county extortion scheme currently in place (property tax apologists do this religiously, like some statist cult) â a scheme which is merely an existing criminal racket justified by paying a few bucks on school expenses (while also generously padding the pockets of crooked politicians), please explain why NOTHING ELSE can enter your mind that would assist in replacing this unconstitutional criminality.
I havenât seen this âattemptâ in your posting - forgive me if I missed it. Certainly you didnât come into a forum called âEnd Property Taxes!â just to tell everyone that you donât like the idea. That would be akin to going into a Chinese Restaurant just to tell the customers that you donât like Chinese food. Who would do something that retarded, right?
So please share why ending property taxes cannot occur, since you are not sharing how it can occur. And simply saying that âsome parents cannot afford supplies, so someone else needs to buy themâ, does not add to the conversation â it only shows how socialism works and has nothing to do with why property taxes should end or why it cannot be replaced. Please share your positive constructive thoughts. Thanks.
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Every state needs a DOGE. AND INSTEAD of a requirement that everything be done and funded by tax revenue⌠There are plenty of processes that could be done by volunteers, community service penalties/judgements, even some of these retirees could be of service to do any number of things to keep taxes down. And way more expenditures need to be put to public vote.
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FT, your words like a breath of fresh air of Common Sense. Agreed. We could certainly use the same in-your-face DOGE technique at the state and county levels. And once we get off this âeverything needs to come from the property ownerâ mindset, the better off everyone will be â since we will start minding our pennies again, instead of slinging away our dollars.
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How about a federal mandate to abolish property tax across all states?
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Yes please! It makes absolutely no sense that you have to pay a tax on something you already âownâ or it gets taken away. What kind of logic is that? Thatâs not ownership thatâs rental.
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Taxes should go bye bye. but being taxed multiple times on the same dollar is criminal. So yes, property taxes should never have happened .
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I Pay double that. Seniors shouldnât have to pay school taxes either once the kids are grown and out of the house and there are some seniors who donât have children. We never really get to own anything we buy a house the bank owns it we pay it off but we have to pay taxes so we never truly own anything. Itâs a disgrace. The system is rigged against us so we can never break even. Just struggle to about maintain what you have as you fall further and further behind as the years go by. Social Security does not keep up with inflation and the 401(k) saved all the years from working is worth less and less. you are forced to sell it off to pay required minimum distribution on a failing investment. The only winners are the government and the banks. The government at every level is one big criminal enterprise. Hoping President Trump makes some real progress regarding seniors in our country. We are drowning.
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As it currently stands, you never really own your house! I 100% agree all property taxes should end in all 50 states
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Taxes for roads maybe-(which All need fixing) or have state taxes for them!
no more for schools and property
Indeed, and that is what can be done if we are a wealthy nation AND WE ARE. Just wait and see.
I agree with you 100%. I have worked three jobs most of my life, raised my boys and took college classes every chance I had, which wasnât enough since I had to pay for it myself. I was determined to get ahead. Finally after my divorce, we lost our house and I continued to work 24/7 most of the time as a live-in caregiver and managed to buy a small house on my own. I lived there and made repairs and upgrades for 8 1/2 years. I sold in 2021 and made a profit so I bought myself a manufactured home out of the city thinking it would be more affordable for me until I realized the lot rent goes up about $50 every year along with paying a pass on tax monthly and an annual tax. Although they arenât real high it still adds up with the ever increasing lot rent which should pay for the taxes and is going to eventually be up to $1,095 per month. Since I have worked 2-3 jobs independently I donât have a retirement plan. I am almost to the point where I can no longer work, I have been taking care of my ex free of charge since he has major health issues and no money. I let him stay in my spare room so he pays a little each month but I donât know what I will do when he is gone. These senior communities are suppose to be affordable and safe, not all of us have money. This is a long opinion, sorry. I want to figure out how to put this in a shorter text and put it up for voting.
In my opinion property taxes (at the very least on a personâs primary home, but it should apply to all real property) should be eliminated completely. The primary reason is because a family should not be at risk of losing their property that they have purchased due to an inability to pay the taxes. I have several observations about property taxes, which are the following, keeping in mind that laws governing property taxes vary from state to state, and I am only addressing those of the state of Texas, since those are the one with which I am familiar:
⢠Placing a tax on real property is unconstitutional.
The âTakings Clauseâ of 5th amendment of the constitution bars the taking of a personâs property without due process, and without just compensation. This clause to the amendment states, No person shall âbe deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.â
This establishes that if a government seizes real property, then the owner from whom the property is seized should receive just compensation for the property. In other words, the government seizing the property should be compelled to pay full market value of the property.
⢠Property is often sold at below appraised value in a tax sale.
The property taxes are based on the appraised value of the property. And a second part of this is the fact that a propertyâs true value is what the property sells for, not what an appraiser thinks the property value should be.
When a property is sold at below appraised value couldnât we make the argument that the true value of the property is what the purchaser was willing to pay for the property? Since the true value of the property has now been established to be lower than the appraised value. Couldnât the argument be made that the county was basing the tax rate on an inflated value, thus making the predicate for seizure of the property unjustified, since the tax amount should have been lower that what was being demanded by the county?
⢠An improvement to the property causes an increase in the value of the property raising the amount of taxes the county can assess on the property.
Suppose I build a deck in my back yard. Based on this improvement, the county will now revalue the property, resulting in an increase in my property taxes.
What was it about me building a deck, on my own property, increases the countyâs expenses? In other words, how would the county have paid their bills had I made the decision not to build a deck?
⢠As others have stated in this thread, taxing based on the perceived value of a property is a tax on unrealized capital gains.
If property taxes continue (which I hope they donât), they should continue only based on the value of the property at the time of purchase. When a property is sold it is valued at the sell price, and that is the value that the county uses to assess future taxes on that property until it sold again. The property value used should be without regard to any improvements made to the property. Even if I purchase unimproved property the tax base for that property remains at the unimproved value until the property is sold.
My rationale is this: the county did nothing to contribute to the improvement of the property, they didnât pitch in to buy materials, they didnât send workers to help with construction, they didnât put any of their resources at risk to make the improvements, so why should they derive any benefit from it?