When you buy YOUR PROPERTY, ITS YOURS not a FEDERAL or STATE or CITY RENTAL… this needs to be at ALL LEVELS
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When the new roof or anything else needs to be fixed they should help fix them if they are pretending to be a relative with OUR PROPERTY. ITS clearly theft
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Why do we pay taxes and pay more taxes on already taxed money?
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Rob, double, triple, and endless taxation occurs because a critical mass of those who refuse to participate any longer has not been reached. It is the same answer to any action taken by over-bearing governments. A weak populous grows tyrannical governments, and vice versa. You cannot condemn a government for behaving like governments are prone to behave. It is just being itself, and doing what it does – much like an unattended weed. We don’t blame the winding weeds and overgrown grass for creating an unsightly front yard. The problem lies squarely at the feet of the American People, who mostly refuse to come out of their houses and deal with the matter, unfortunately.
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Exactly. I like this video that asks a great question.
The Tiny Dot
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs”
I understand what you’re saying, but you have to remember that anything that goes against our God given rights is invalid and voided.
People think that the constitution gives us our rights, it does not, God gives us our rights and freedoms!
The constitution is a contract guaranteeing that the government (our employees) will uphold and protect our God given rights from being violated or infringed upon.
So in other words any laws starting we are not free are voided because God made us free.
Hope that helps.
So, you’re willing to go to jail for your morals and beliefs, right?
Because we can choose which laws we obey, but it’s very difficult to choose our consequences.
This should this be ended especially once you have paid for your home . I’m retired and feel like I pay rent just to live in my own paid off home. Between property tax, school taxes and insurance it’s outrageous. My kids are grown so why am I still paying school taxes. This should end at retirement. Now they keep changing that age. Should be 60 so you can enjoy life.
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Logical approach, as you state, with 4 more added steps…
- Cut the costs that justify the taxes (ie: administrative expenes and other scholastic expenses).
- Cut the salaries and positions of those in local governments who create the justifications of property taxes based on school costs, thereby weakening the links between actual costs and suggested tax charges.
- Cut the costs and hike the non-governmental oversight over those who artificially and annually over-estimate private property values (ie: county tax assessors) to make up for a falling dollar value that is ALSO the result of the government.
- Start a campaign to track every back-tax home auction and give the property owners the proper paperwork to lay claim to county funds for the monitary repayment of property tax values assessed by the county appraiser above and beyond the amount of the taxes owed (e.g. If a county-appraised $100k house is confiscated for $5k in back taxes, the county needs to pay back $95k to the home owner the very instant the house is sold. If sold for less, the county eats the loss for over-estimating the value of the home in the first place.
- Create a government-supported and strictly unregulated NGO specifically responsible for monitoring county board meeting expense approvals in relation to overall county property value calculuations to serve as a watchdog org. and ensure that property tax assessors are not reverse engineering the property values to make up for increasing county costs, or lower revenue, so that their numbers work out at the end of the year (e.g. For every dollar lost in property taxes due to bulldozed homes, or washed out roads, the VALUE of the remaining properties magically increases by the same amount that same year, even though the state and national averages for these values continues to go down).
OR…
We can simply DUMP property taxes altogether and shrink state govts by 50%+, in lue of a state flat tax+state shares (based on population) of national tariffs.
Yea… I think we are starting to gain some traction here. 
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All excellent points! I Really thought about point 4…just passing laws for # 4 alone would severely hamper and disincentivise any and all efforts to sieze and foreclose in most areas, and would do a lot to cure the parasitism entitlement culture of the state. Simply by introducing the concept of fair compensation of equity on already paid principal must be refunded, owed back to the homeowner morgagor would do much in restoring power back to the people, and incentivising government thrift instead of grift by the state. And if #4 got passed, I think the others would be soon to follow.
Yeah, I reread it. I think 4 is a VERY STRONG should come first, and the rest more easily fall into place.
I am imagining a standard scenario, in a 3 way contract between the mortgage lender, the home buyer, and the state (recipient of property taxes, all having rights, that whoever of the 3 decides to dissolve the contract first, is on the hook to pay off the other 2 parties share of the contract, and in the case of the homebuyer, a refund of equity in already paid principal due either by the state, or the bank. Whichever of the 2 dissolved the contract. A Mexican standoff of sorts.
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Absolutely agree!
I like. We need to tackle the issue at the school district and county government level, too. Ideas?
Marcos, I think we may not be at the solution-generation stage quite yet since it appears as though there are too many Americans asleep at the wheel and/or living the lies that they are told (e.g.: Property taxes are constitutional, lawful, and therefore must be paid without question). We may find that ideas for resolution flow more freely when the majority of the population is aware of the truth and is on board with admitting that we have problems in areas the need fixing. This is a large ship and it takes time to turn it around. You can only plot a new course after the ship gets turned around, I believe. We can always give it some more thought on solutions, like in most other posts; however, our focus right now might be ‘righting the ship’. Thanks for your agreement that we have issues to tackle at the non-federal level as well, and that they must be addressed because they are problems at the federal level, with direct violations of the Constitution. I suspect this will need to be resolved using Checks and Balances via the Judicial Branch of our government. This solution may simply be to get enough of the population on board that we might light the fires under judges and politicians to push pending cases forward to be settled in a new Supreme Court that is not compromised by traitors.
I am entertaining a possible solution, since you asked, but it is still new - maybe it can be built upon by others. This possible solution would be to abolish income taxes altogether, embrace Trump’s idea for tariffs on imported goods and use this revenue to fund federal level expenses (with plenty to cover periodic state assistance with disaster relief, etc), create a national sales tax on new goods and services only and direct most of this income to the state level where they can distribute funds in-state based on population density and critical infrastructure thereby replacing the unconstitutional local property taxes with appropriated funds from the state governments.
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There are over 13,000 school districts in America. Most of them are in the control of teachers unions, or far left politicians, or bureaucrats (who benefit from Big School).
At the same time, data indicates local taxpayers pay the most in the world per pupil while students fail to compete internationally.
We need wholesale change in how school district money is collected and spent.
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You are making my point. Most are going along to get along (because they were inundated with lies from teachers and bureaucrats (collectively known as STATISTS), most of their lives, to believe that they must serve the state, hand over part of their incomes, and simply shut up. You really can’t blame this current mindset – these leftist teachers indoctrinated them in schools, and then the politicians took over that indoctrination when the kids bought their first house and realized that they owed payments on it forever to the state. The reason why our children are last globally, even though Americans are sleep-walking and paying an enormous amount of their wealth to seemingly incapable statists, is because the statists are covertly focused on wealth collection and not overtly focused on bettering children’s educations or other local issues. And as long as Americans willingly accept this failed statist-controlled system that offers no return on investment, then the rot will continue until the entire country fails. So, we agree that massive change is needed and that Americans are still participating in the failed system. Even a few in this forum continue to claim that we need to keep it going, and shovel more money to the failed local govts in order to pay for schools, even when these same schools are turning out uneducated zombies in droves. Until this “tax-apologist mindset” changes, we will never see wholesale changes on anything, I feel certain.(Said differently - the American Mind-set will never reach the critical mass required to create necessary explosive change). And that is why I said that we need to plot a course for the ship after we turn the ship around. It is still sailing in the wrong direction, and is only just now starting to turn. The far left statists had decades to turn our ship the wrong way. Big changes take time to implement. This is one of them, I feel.
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Property tax is unfair to home owners a flat tax for all would be the way to do it fairly. I also think seniors should be exempt.
Here in NH everything, state and local and school tax, is heaped on the property tax. I feel bad for seniors on fixed incomes with this as all these taxes go up. Schools the most.
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It has traditionally been a local tax to support public schools and other community government and programs. There must be a way to do this that still allows our community programs to be financed. In the 1800’s and before, people in the community gave voluntary monthly subscriptions to pay their school teachers and provided housing. Parents provided school supplies for their children. In big cities, this would be very difficult. Some families can’t afford school supplies for their children.
You can’t just say, “get rid of this tax”. It must be made up for somewhere. Any ideas?
Are you even reading the posts of others, or are you simply waiting for the policy proposer to give you all the answers? This should be a team effort by everyone here to come up with ideas that move the policy proposal forward – or give obvious reasons why it cannot/should not move forward.
Borrowing logic from you, and stated in reverse, “You can’t simply say that something cannot be done without showing everyone else the reasons WHY it can’t be done.” (And simply saying, in a discussion forum, that ‘it has to be replaced’ is not good enough since even a child can make that leap of logic).
Now, if you would have read my post, only a few posts above yours, you would have seen a lot of info, including the following attempted solution proposed for group discussion:
Before you shoot down entertaining anything besides, supporting the county extortion scheme currently in place (property tax apologists do this religiously, like some statist cult) – a scheme which is merely an existing criminal racket justified by paying a few bucks on school expenses (while also generously padding the pockets of crooked politicians), please explain why NOTHING ELSE can enter your mind that would assist in replacing this unconstitutional criminality.
I haven’t seen this “attempt” in your posting - forgive me if I missed it. Certainly you didn’t come into a forum called “End Property Taxes!” just to tell everyone that you don’t like the idea. That would be akin to going into a Chinese Restaurant just to tell the customers that you don’t like Chinese food. Who would do something that retarded, right?
So please share why ending property taxes cannot occur, since you are not sharing how it can occur. And simply saying that “some parents cannot afford supplies, so someone else needs to buy them”, does not add to the conversation – it only shows how socialism works and has nothing to do with why property taxes should end or why it cannot be replaced. Please share your positive constructive thoughts. Thanks.
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Every state needs a DOGE. AND INSTEAD of a requirement that everything be done and funded by tax revenue… There are plenty of processes that could be done by volunteers, community service penalties/judgements, even some of these retirees could be of service to do any number of things to keep taxes down. And way more expenditures need to be put to public vote.
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