Artificial Intelligence instead of Juries

Your crazy! lol that is asking for a tyranny because someone will still have to control the AI! If it is digital, it is HACKABLE! Pay attention as to how even the government is getting slapped in the cyber war with China! Our elections can’t even be fair with hacking.

I have designed, built and operated computer systems since 1968. NEVER TRUST A COMPUTER!

Computers do what they are told to do. They are not capable of discerning truth from fiction and never will be. Someday they may simulate intelligence, but they will never acquire the ability to think independently, science fiction and Hollywood writers not withstanding. Computers are tools like all other pieces of equipment.

We do not know how our own brains work much less able to build a machine that can replicate it. We can replicate many body parts that operate sufficiently to replace the real thing when it is injured or lost. The brain is not one of them mechanically and it is a very long and arduous trail to get there, if ever.

And, even when we get there, if ever, how do we keep out our innate biases out of the final product? Per our latest attempt at an election, we can’t even keep lies out of news, speeches and everyday conversations. How will ever GUARANTEE that no biases enter into AI output?

We trust modern business systems to keep track of our money and other “assets”. Why? Because they utilize the same checks and balances used by accountants since man started counting fingers and toes. For financial bookkeeping, it’s called “double entry bookkeeping”. The ins and the outs have to balance. NO SUCH CONTROLS EXIST IN THE AI WORLD (or our brains).

Just today there is a news piece describing how a lawyer/professor used AI data in his argument based on a bogus case! It apparently sounded good but it was a lie.

I go back to the definition of AI I first heard in the 1980s when I first started playing with AI concepts (before there were programs and computers big enough and fast enough to figure it out). The expression then (and now) is “AI is very artificial and not very intelligent”. It is just another tool that must be used correctly to have any worth.

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AI can be programmed/taught to be biased based on what is or is not provided to it. ChatGPT is biased towards government policy whether it is correct or incorrect.
NEVER trust AI.

My first AI college course was PROLOG in 1991 at USL. My last lecture was yours just a few minutes ago.

I think you underrate AI as much as AI would fail to replace humans. So until things change, I will watch the progress.

Just no. Special interest groups control the programing of AI systems.

There are foundational reasons for a jury of your peers.

I think I recall a joke once; “The best thing about computers is that they do exactly what they’re told. The worst thing about computers is that they do EXACTLY what they’re told.”

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While I can understand the facts based approach and the need for removing bias, the double edged sword can also be removing all human understanding of the human condition. AI is great for many things, but not sure if it would be effective in understanding the human condition for mistakes or the circumstances of being a human in a linear and sometimes confusing law( especially case law, where some contradict each other).

NO! AI can be biased too, and we have no idea whos programming them.

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That sounds dangerous.

AI told elderly people to kill themselves recently. A couple students were doing a project and asked AI for a query. One of the results which was screen shot told people they should kill themselves. So I don’t think trusting AI is a good idea.

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No, I do not have trust, not at this time. Possibly some future generation May try that. AI is too new right now.

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That is a vision of dystopia. No thanks.

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I agree. This is a terrible suggestion and I am looking for a ‘NO’ vote.

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many studies have shown Minorites get more time for the same crime that whites. So It would be interesting to see if A.I. can change this.

I’m not sure if these ideas have already been brought up. But I understand what you are trying to do. However, Using AI only, is not feasible right now. I think AI would be a good tool to use to help but not be the decider on the case. Rather than AI, have those well versed in the law, such as Lawyers. I think each state should have a special jury where their primary job is to attend cases and determine guilty/innocence.
The combination of Experts in Law and AI as a tool could help make reasonable determinations on a case rather than lawyers trying to appease to a jury’s feelings.
Also, it gets everyone out of jury duty! :rofl:

Not a fan of this, we have juries and judges specifically because the law isn’t black and white, I wouldn’t mind if AI was used to make suggestions in the court room or to explain laws to juries but an actual peer of mine should sentence me

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No way. AI isn’t (intelligent). It would be blind, deaf, and dumb injustice. Rather put consequences on incompetent judges and attorneys.

What you’re talking about isn’t really AI, it is software. Software runs on rules and doesn’t try to extrapolate or opine. While it would be useful, it can’t process motives. That is precisely why we need actual people so that they can negate miscarriages of justice.

Take the case of a father who kills his daughter’s rapist. He is plainly guilty of murder but a jury of his peers should set him free.

What a horrible idea! Just because you can do it, doesn’t mean you should do it? Do you know who program the AI? Human. They can feed AI all kind of junks and you would end up with some scary, tyrannical system that offer NO justice at all. It’s time for people to learn discernment and responsibility, rather than continue to want to look for something outside to further manipulate and control you!

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Yea, I confess that I do…I realized that I couldnt use my manual typewriter and mail off my P4P comments to be posted in this forum, so I use my computer instead. Besides, someone working in the computer field is not likely going to through down his/her computer in exchange for an abacus, roll of parchment and an inkwell – so ya got me. I’m busted…got me clear as day here. :laughing:

AI is no good. The people who are programming aren’t unbiased. Remember earlier this year when people searched for Viking history and it came back with anyone but white people? I don’t know that I’d want my life in the hands of something programmed.
But, a great many people have been “programmed” by the MSM so maybe there isn’t a difference. :woman_shrugging:t3:

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