Stop Bayer’s stranglehold on American Farmers

There’s no 3rd party independent research going on in America, as there is in Europe that’s why.

And any college or private “research” labs, ag schools are being funded by Monsanto. So what kind of results are you going to find if you want funding to continue to flow?

Monsanto has whole departments of employees whose job it is to spread confusing false narratives and company line rhetoric, EXACTLY like the post I’ve responded to. It’s been known for decades, and finally come out as evidence in the trials Monsanto has been losing.

Do deliberate lies and misinformation to mislead the public bother you?

If so, wise up and join the right side. No one misunderstands the difference between gmos and natural hybrids seeds with that much specificity and counter narrative. You got a lot to learn on this subject. And if you really are concerned about the subject you can stop being a sucker, and realize this is how corporate interests protect their markets.

You ever see the movie THEY LIVE?

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So I wonder who you work for? I’ve seen these sly always long comments to distract and dissuade newcomers from ever grasping the difference between gmo’s and hybrids, and confuse newcomers that gmo’s and hybrids are the same and “more research” is needed.

How much is Bayer paying you to be here?

Because your posts are the most elaborate and directed ways of saying you have no idea what you’re talking about. But that’s exactly why you’re here, to muddy the waters.

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Yes and rather than break them up as a monopoly let’s just pass a bill that permanently disallows them to take advantage of any subsidy locally or federally. Then tax them for not taking care of our soil. We could then take that “Bayer Act Tax Revenue” and send it as a subsidy to small farmers who are fully engaged in regenerative farming. They could navigate bad weather circumstances, buy new equipment. If and when companies like Bayer, Archer-Daniels-Midland Company, Blackrock, Syngenta, and Bill Gates Cascade Investment do get their act together then we end the tax because the small and medium farmers will absolutely be thriving like Mother Nature provides for us to do.

Boomers sure do love their subsidies!

A problem for RFK Jr. He says he will end GMO…

You have way more patience than I do for handling what we both know is a for hire misinfo specialist.

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I am learning about them as I run across them in here. There are definitely types who put up volumes of text on specific subjecs in order to “keep things from moving ahead”, yet show little real participation by offering policy suggestions on things outside of that narrow band of resistance they demonstrate.

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And here we have the solution folks… wants things to be tested in UL like fashion by the FDA for safety. :rofl:

Are you getting this folks?!

Encino man got thawed out yesterday has solved it! We just need to test things for safety at the FDA!! HAHAHA

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The more things change…the more they stay the same! Kinda sounds like the Congressional playbook for another chapter of “Let’s Keep This Going Another 100 Years.”

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BINGO. Winner winner chicken dinner

Well, I hope we can all work it out. Everyone certainly can’t be pleased all the time, but if we can make strides into getting back to our Constitutional roots, allowing others to live in peace, not being adversely impacted by others (esp. Corporations), and clear out the deadwood of 100+ years of legislative restrictions, and garbage-generating overly-expensive depts, agencies, and institutions, then the quicker we might find out that we are all in this together, taking turns rowing the same boat, and desiring to get to roughly the same destination. :us:

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I’m guessing these are all GMO seeds. I think the GMO seeds should all be destroyed. and we get back to heirloom seeds, only.

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It took me a good year or more to go all the way down the rabbit hole, to fully understand gmo’s, the subsidy prison, glyphosate/roundup, and THEN when you finally get your head wrapped around why farmers stay locked in to farming this way imo is mostly because of subsidy.

After learning all this, to then discover the scope and scale of malevolence of Monsanto is impossible to communicate concisely.
Fun fact, Monsanto started losing cases in 2019? Not only did they lose cases, but plaintifs were awarded MALICE, on top of the verdict. Something that is rarely awarded. The case losses are starting to stack up too aren’t they, but last I heard they have yet to pay out one dime.

I am familiar with some of this but you apparently have more in-depth knowlege on these corporate agri-giants and their shenanigans. Sounds like you are a perfect candidate for creating policy suggestions that might back them off the American People and stop them from criminally manipulating our political system for their own personal gains. If it was me, and I was trying to take down these Goliaths, I would target all of the work/inroads that they already accomplished, cementing their way into our legal system. What were their legal battles? What propositions did they fight? Who did they get caught buying gifts for, or who did they support running for ag-related officials. They are like nasty GMO trumpet vines that grew into the side of the house of the American People – it needs ripping out at the very roots that support it. OK, getting off my soap box now…lol.

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“Progress”, huh? Would you consider yourself a progressive then? Is this the comment you and your fellow trolls came up with at the Tel Aviv troll farm?

Because everybody knows you can’t argue with an old man without looking like a jerk, lol.

Well played spook.
Give this man space! He’s 81 years old! Just here to brush up on the 'ol gmo’s issue, and still after all these charade of posts, can’t make up his mind, can’t decipher where he stands!

I am not trying to feel good by exchanging text with you – nor am I trying to deny you hope for change because of your age.

What I AM doing, is reminding you that, when you tell the American Public that its OK to break a few eggs in order to make an omlet, and the eggs belong to your neighbors but the omlet is something you are pushing to get, then you’re are out of line with American values by openly insisting that others simply deal with it because it is progress. GMO modification does not happen in a vaccum. I work hard every year to keep my heirloom seeds from getting contaminated by others who hold your views.

If you are truly 81, and an American, then you should respect my objections to your statements instead of calling it “a useless waste of time and energy”, If you want to make progress on things like you say, then start creating policy suggestions instead of trying to get people to embrace GMO engineering even though many want nothing to do with it. Convincing others NOT to change, or to embrace"what already is" is not the way to make progress, so your statement makes no sense. The objection to unrestrained open-pollination of GMO plants (and GMO winding up in my stomach) [which you call “progress”] is very simple…I shall highlight it below…

It is hard to believe that you are 81 and still have a problem grasping the concept of “Do No Harm” (at the expense of others). Nevertheless, have a nice day.

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I followed the Johnson v. Monsanto trial in San Fransisco in 2019.

The lawfirm representing Johnson plaintif posted the evidence being presented in the trial, aka “the Monsanto papers” found at the link below.

It exposes the interior documents, emails of Monsanto administration and personal that they KNEW their products kill people and cause cancer. Yet spend billions to publish the opposite in the media.

I strongly encourage anyone with any interest in what psychopathic crimes Monsanto is guilty of, follow the yt video series put out by the attorney representing the plaintif R. BRENT WISNER.

I don’t have a working knowledge of the law, or how to write policy that doesn’t counteract or undo other “good” law.

Other than Monsanto running and hiding under the dress of Bayer for survival, I don’t know why they haven’t gone bankrupt, been forced to pay to victims, or why existing laws aren’t robust enough to enforce.

Policy seems easy to create in comparison to law changes, and I think laws changes and bans on products, and chems is more immediately necessary in the short term. I think the laws pertaining to what is and is not allowed to be patented has bearing on this issue… you can ban roundup, ban glyphosate, but they can tweak the recipe and quantity of any number of ingredients, or even use more toxic ingredients, and call it something else, make new research claims of safety, and market something entirely worse, and it takes us another 10 - 20 years to catch up to and outlaw

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Build a new Organic Seed Library? Years yes; but get rid of Monsanto / Bayer; all GMO’s.

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You know what…that really ain’t a bad idea, DarlaJean! It could pull the rug right out from under their feet. If we can create a Library of Congress or a Smithsonian Institute, then we can certaily build a ‘Library of Seeds’. And perhaps over time, we can also map the seed genomes and store them in a digital library of sorts, free for public access. This would really screw up the GMO industry, knowing that we have successfully recorded and created an “official standard” for a particular non-GMO plant variety – and they couldn’t submit patent requests for every little insignificant molecular arrangement twist or destructive variation to the originally mapped and recorded plant variety. This Library could officially serve as a storehouse for such legal and scientific standards, and we could start “locking down” GMO variation attempts against these genomic varieties. The GMO industry would whither on the vine like a genetically-modified infertile sweet pea. :laughing:

I remember, in college, donating part of my personal computer processing time to help with the mapping of the entire human genome. I downloaded and installed software on my computer such that my system would be remotely accessed at times of non-use, and the processing of data would be performed on my local machine, finally uploading the processed information back to the source I remember the sound of my hard drive spinning up, frantically reading/and writing in the middle of the night, while laying in my dormitory cot It made me feel happy, knowing that I was contributing even in a small way, to that scientifically-historic undertaking. The entire human genome was finally mapped out by tens of thousands of computers set up to remotely process a slice of the human puzzle (just like my computer), and I saved a newspaper article mentioning final completion of “The Human Genome Project.” It feels nice to be able to have left a tiny footprint in the sand while momentarily walking on the shores of Life, doesn’t it?

I bet Americans would again step up to the plate again for this wonderful effort. I would donate more of my computer cycles to assist in the mapping of the “Black Krim Tomato Variety” and the “Mississippi Purple Hull Pea” for starters! The new Seed Library non-GMO mapping project could create a website and allow anyone to go in there, select what they want to help map out, and download the software for remote processing of their favorite plant varieties. Who says Americans can’t rise to the occassion of a nobel and just cause? I love the idea and hope it happens!!! :rosette: :rose: :wilted_flower: :hibiscus: :sunflower: :tulip: :potted_plant: :deciduous_tree: :palm_tree: :maple_leaf: :fallen_leaf: :four_leaf_clover: :cowboy_hat_face:

UPDATE: The suggested policy proposal in the above-mentioned post has been created. Link below:

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