School/Work Week and Hour Reduction

I love this idea. I work a full time 40 hour per week job, and I’m also a student pursuing a bachelors degree, soon to be masters. One thing I’d love to do is be able to intern to earn experience towards a job in my field which will involve working with animals. Sadly, these all typically have unpaid required hours which at this point, I can’t afford to do. If I cut my work hours, I get paid less and potentially lose benefits like health insurance and am doing extra work for no pay while trying to get myself through school. A little extra time would do me a lot of good!

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If the work day ened at 3 rather than 5, i would loose 150 bucks a week in pay.

Correct, and it shouldn’t be. No one decrees “the standard” work day, as it should be. Businesses make their own choices about when they are open based on when they believe they can serve their customers best, or what works for the business.

I worked for public sector department that traded 5x8 (40 hour workweek) for 4x8.75 (35 hour workweek). We had every Friday off. It was a fantastically refreshing option because every weekend felt like a three day weekend and when there was a Monday holiday, it felt like a four day weekend. Adding 45 minutes to the workday and taking a 30 minute lunch instead of 60 minutes was easy. In this case, we were union and took the change in lieu of pay raises during a time of furloughs but it was worth it! Most people would likely exchange five hours for a COLA.

But you’d have more time to meal plan and shop for groceries, probably offsetting the wage loss.

The one thing I wondering is, since education is not the highest, would this effect, meaning will it get better or worst, we need to make sure the kids get the best education offered to them, at the same time giving them the time like you stated.
Next I read something about teaching more life experience classes, which I believe is an excellent idea, give them all the reading, math, science social studies history all that in the lower grades, then high School, teach more life classes, so when they graduate, like balancing a check book, doing a budget, pay the bills, etc, so they will be ready for the working world, if they choose to go right into in to that, or collage or military, make them ready for the world.

indeed.

as we have reached a very high productivity by mechanization and digitalization, we can produce everything we need with a fraction of the workforce.

Musk managed to reduce staff at Twitter/X to 20%… if we take this as a rule of thumb, “full time” might be defined as 8 hours per week. Which would be enough to give us all food, comfort, machines, services we need.

And the rest of the time might be used to create value in ways that are not really possible today. create precious handmade objects. create beauty. create community. create art every where.

today, places like Venice or Paris are overflown with tourists, because of their beauty. people pay a lot of money just to spend some hours there. how about making EVERY city, town, village, house, every simple shack… as beautiful and individual and well made as Venice and Paris are?

we have the time and resources to do it, if only we reduce paid work to the necessary minimum, cut out what David Graeber called “bullshit jobs” and concentrate on essentials

Free market and states decide school day. Feds cannot control this.

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This site has become a whine-fest for people who can’t handle reality.

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12 months?! HORRIBLE. Just no! How cruel. Stop “charging” to watch a delicate person who needs to be held, fed, and changed? Where are these magical fairy-babysitters? Are they in the room with you right now? All the teachers I know LOVE their summer vacations. You are cray cray.

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Leave it to the states. Though, I’d say this is dangerous as the academic standards are already pretty dire.

As to “work weeks”… you are suggesting forcing people to not work more than X indifferent to what they want or need. I have no right to tell people how long they’re allowed to work… how many days… how many hours. If you want, you can set something so companies can force people to work more than X under pain of dismissal but if the employee wants to work the extra time, no one has the right to tell them otherwise.

self employed people may work as long as they want.

employment by an enterprise implies generally a considerable difference in power, so there must be some rules against abuse. not too many and sensible ones, but they must be there. limiting working times is certainly one of them.

if the safety of the worker and other people is involved, yes there must be rules.

operators of heavy machinery, surgeons, truck drivers, people handling toxic or explosive or radioactive substances etc. better NOT be chronically tired, losing concentration, sleeping on the job and creating horrible accidents.

It’s not about spending more time in school to learn more, it’s about improving the quality of education our children receive. They have been dumbed down on purpose for generations. We also do need to reevaluate raising families, we should have more time as parents with our children than the institutions that are the ones actually raising them. A tenant of communism is “your children are not your own” which is exactly how the current NYS education system is set up. Families need more family time.

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There should be more options so parents have a choice as to how much they work. Benefits should be offered to part time workers. The institutions raise the children, they spend more time with teachers and peers than they do with families. As the economy improves under the new administration I believe we will see less burden on the providers and more flexibility for families chosen lifestyle.

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Again, what you are stating is all about your choices. You don’t like what the school is teaching your child you can put them in a different school that does teach what you want taught. It is about your choice but yet you think someone else should be doing what you want done. Your thinking is about controlling what others are doing. Sorry, you can not control me and what I do, I can only control my self and my choices just like you are the only one who control what you do and what your choices are. If you think you should be able to control what others do then let me control what you do. If you don’t like the hours you work then control the situation by finding a differnet job, you choice this job then choose another one.

We agree, it’s all about choice. But for generations our choices are limited based on needs for survival. At one time it was considered normal to have one working parent and to be able to buy our homes and cars without loans but with cash. That was a different world, and there was more choice in how families chose their work/life balance. Over time we found many families had to have both parents working and sometimes have two jobs to afford basic needs. What I’m saying is, we should build an economy with opportunities for families to have that choice again. Hopefully that’s the plan for the current administration. I would eat squirrels and dandelions to be home to raise my children, and that’s a choice. What I’m saying is, let’s create a social norm to not have to resort to that to have more parental involvement in raising our children.

CAREER FOCUSED ADVANCED EDUCATION AT A REASONABLE COST FAR BELOW THAT OF LEFTIST UNIVERSITIES WOULD BENEFIT AMERICA!

There is a cancer that has metastasized into a systemic rot that has infected many higher educational institutions. If a person or organization with the money or connections like Mike Bloomberg, Jeff Yass, Elon Musk or those with the money & influence to attract supporters were to create a college that could hire some of the best in a multitude of different professions to teach courses associated with their respective professions which offered degrees in professional fields where 100% of the courses and credits were designed to create the most knowledgeable graduates in a particular profession, without any other non-professional courses required at reasonable costs far below a typical leftist university, it would be successful.

There would be zero social engineering, cultural issues or political correctness. No courses would be required that were not associated with the student’s chosen major/professional goals. Future doctors would only be required to take courses focused on medicine; engineers would only be required to take courses focused on engineering, etc. There would be professionally focused courses only. Is College Worth the Cost? Most Americans Now Say No | Money

Also, federal and state funding given to school districts determines what and how children learn. It’s not a choice, it’s dictated. Parents do have a choice if they want to find a way to homeschool or provide an expensive private school education. But if we are talking about widowed or single parent households, that would be almost impossible in the current economic state of our nation.

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People used to work very little in the past and sustain a living. Many people dont raise their kids, daycare raises them for them. I’m all for reducing the school and work week. Other countries have done it, we should consider it also. Children and teens in school only have about 4 hours to learn before they are mentally checked out. This leaves 4 hours of day-dreaming and strobe like care for subject learning. People also dont aquire useful skills in life because they are conditioned like a factory worker in school to obey and stand in line instead of critically thinking and having the flexibility to make mistakes, learn, gain real confidence from failures, improve and authentically grow.

Again, your language is using the term “our” choices. Stop that! When you say “our” you are inferring that you have a choice in thier choices. Start thinking of “my” choice is what. When my parents first married, over 80 years ago, their first house cost $8,000 with 4 bedrooms and 1 bath, they had 1 car. And today the desire is for a 4 bedroom home with 2 1/2 baths, one being a master bath, and having walk in closets. The desire is for 2 cars and when the kids get old enough a car for each of them. and a very good car. When my parents raised us kids we got a car when we could pay for the car and the insurance for it plus the gas. Today the kids get a newer car, the car insurance is paid for them and the parents put the gas in the car. So yes things have changed but that is because of “our” choices. MY nicest house had 3 bedrooms and 2 baths, no master bath, no walk in closest and the payments were so easy to make I paid it of in 20 years, totally paid off. But that was because of “my” choice. See stop thinking about it as everyone out there is making choices for you and start making you own choices. Life can be very comfortable when you settle for what you want and not what everyone else wants. So remove the “our” choice and talk only about my choice and things will get better for you.