Nothing should be legally done at the Federal level…period. This is, rightfully, a STATES ONLY issue.
Your write-up is too long. In itself, it is longer than the suggested full length of a law. I only read the first paragraph and have no intentions of spending an hour reading this lengthy suggestion.
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Since you admit that you haven’t even read it, then your opinion on it is irrelevant. You were also factually wrong about abortion being a states-rights only issue.
So, you perceive yourself as the arbiter of information, do you? Have you shared with us all the facts, or merely those that align with your agenda? Your assertion of “…providing us with all the facts you wish us to know” is deeply troubling to anyone who values independent thought and critical reasoning. This is the very essence of censorship. First and foremost, let’s be unequivocal: abortion is murder. It involves the intentional, calculated, and cold-blooded taking of a gestating human life. Human existence commences at the precise moment of conception, a fact universally acknowledged in various philosophical and religious contexts, including even those with opposing views on morality. For instance, some interpretations of satanic beliefs suggest that one’s fate is determined by the celestial placements at the moment of conception, highlighting the gravity of the beginning of life. Until you reframe the discussion around the termination of a pregnancy as “murder” or “homicide,” you are missing a crucial aspect of this issue. The act of terminating your unborn child is not merely a medical procedure or a health service; it is, quite simply, homicide disguised under the euphemism of healthcare. When seeking medical assistance, one is advised to consult a healthcare professional for treatment and care, not to approach someone who operates with the intent to terminate human life in such a heinous manner. Furthermore, no politician, judge, or individual—regardless of their authority—should ever advocate for a woman to end her pregnancy under the guise of healthcare. Why is this critical? Because many of us hold the belief that we are divinely commanded—yes, mandated—to adhere to the moral tenet of “do no murder.” This command is not taken lightly by those who follow it. Historically, the states that take a stand to ban the practice of abortion will find prosperity, while those that allow the tragic loss of unborn lives will ultimately face consequences. Time has a way of revealing the truth, and the repercussions of such actions will emerge. One must ask: what mother would not willingly offer her own life to ensure the survival of her child? And why should we entertain the notion that we must extinguish the life of a child conceived through the heinous act of rape, or an offspring arising from the monstrous acts of a disturbed relative? The decision to terminate pregnancies is, in essence, a chilling act that can be viewed as a sacrificial offering to dark forces. It is akin to modern-day worship of Baal, an affront to the Almighty. As a society, we must rise against this practice, breaking free from the chains of this horrific cycle. Abortion cannot be normalized; it represents a profound inversion of our fundamental purpose in life. We, as a human race, are called to be fruitful and multiply, with our offspring meant to be as countless as the grains of sand on the seashore. The idea that humanity would resort to the killing of its children to win favor from a so-called demon-deity is ludicrous and unacceptable. Returning the power to address this deeply ingrained societal issue to the states, or allowing the option to reject participation in this abhorrent practice, constitutes a vital initial move toward eradicating this institutionalized and systematically approved method of terminating unborn lives—a practice that, in reality, serves as a vicarious offering to evil, all masked by the legal assurances provided by the State. It is imperative that our government officials work towards fostering a culture that honors the act of bringing new life into the world. We must vehemently reject any attempts to mislead the American populace into believing that terminating the lives of unborn children is acceptable or justified. We deserve transparency regarding the fates of these unborn lives—what happens to their bodies after such tragedies? Let us confront the uncomfortable truths that lie beneath the surface of this critical issue.
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“MY TOP 16 DISCOVERIES ABOUT THE ABORTION DEBATE, CONTAINING ALL THE FACTS I WANT YOU TO KNOW…”
So, you consider yourself to be the keeper of the information, do you? Have you given us all the facts or just the ones you want us to know? Your premise, “…giving us all the facts you wish us to know,” is repugnant to anyone who thinks for themselves. This is the very definition of censorship. First of all, abortion is murder. It is the willful, deliberate, and cold-blooded homicide of a gestating human being. Human life begins at the moment of conception. Even the Satanists acknowledge this. (your destiny is set by the position of the stars at the moment you are conceived…first law of satanism) So, until you frame the issue of killing your unborn baby as “murder” and/or “homicide,” you miss what you ought to know about this issue. Murdering your unborn baby is not “healthcare.” It is “homicide” by another name. Go to your doctor or go to the hospital for your healthcare. There is no ambiguity in the fact that you go to a state-licensed murderer to kill your baby. And no politician, judge, or person like you, should ever tell a woman to kill her unborn baby and call it healthcare. Why? Because, some of us believe that GOD has directed us, no, commanded all of us to, “do no murder.” And some of us take this command seriously. The States that ban this practice will prosper. The states that permit the murder of the unborn will not. Time will confirm this. What mother would NOT sacrifice her life… that her baby might live? Who says you have to kill the child of a rapist? Or, the child born of the unspeakable acts of a deranged kinsman/lunatic? Killing our unborn children is a vicarious sacrifice to satan. It is a modern-day act of Baal worship. It is a thumb in the eye of God Almighty. Our entire civilization is an expression of a global, satanic blood-letting ritual meant to appease the devil, himself, using our children as the sacrificial object. And, as a society, we must stop this practice. We must break this spell. Killing your unborn baby is not normal. It is the penultimate inversion of our meaning for this life. We, as a people, are to be fertile and multiply. Our progeny is to be as numerous as the sands on the shore of the sea. The very idea that humanity needs to kill its children, in order to obtain the favor of some, so-called, demon-deity, is absurd on its face. Returning the right to participate in this pagan blood sacrifice back to the States, or to reject participation therein, is the first step in stopping this un-godly, institutionalized, and abhorrently systematized practice of killing our unborn children, in vicarious sacrifices, to satan, adorned with the legal palliate of the State. Everyone in our government should be working to make it the greatest honor to bring another human into this world. You need to stop trying to trick the American people into killing their unborn babies. Stop lying about “why” you want to kill our babies. Tell us what you are doing with the dead bodies of these babies. The underbelly…tell us what lies beneath…
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Response to Ronda:
Thanks for your feedback.
My proposal encourages legislators to work with doctors and lawyers, from both pro-life and pro-choice backgrounds, to work out the legalese and final definitions to ensure that they are workable, and to counter-act the prospect of abuse/fraud. However, these are my layperson/unofficial definitions, in answer to your question.
Proof of rape/incest: Documentation of a valid police report or a medical record, verifying the woman reported rape/incest. Perhaps a genetic test to verify incest. I would stipulate that the medical record would have to be provided based on an in-person visit with a doctor who doesn’t have any financial ties to elective abortion services, in order to avoid a conflict of interest. Also, remember that I put a 15 week restriction for use of that exception. (There’s no such thing as a perfect rape exception; I think this offers the best balance FOR NOW.)
Re: definitions of fetus/person. I would prefer to use the term “unborn baby” or “unborn child” although, certainly the legislators would be free to debate that/change it if they felt it made that law more effective/appealing… I think that my preferred terms are more clear, because it correctly includes both embryos and fetuses at all stages of development, while also correctly excluding born children and mothers. In addition, the words “child” or “baby” denotes that person’s relationship to the mother, thus it humanizes the child and makes the legal language more clear. For example, we can refer to the unborn as the mother’s unborn child/baby, but we wouldn’t be able to say that woman’s “unborn person.”
Unborn babies are not technically “American citizens” because citizens have to be born first. (born in the United States, for example)
What is your opinion of terminology such as “unborn people” or an “unborn person”?
Re: your question about why we should allow an exception for rape. The rape exception is not to punish/blame the innocent baby. I do not see it that way.
I have debated/defended my support of the rape exception in much of this public comment section. Feel free to browse my responses for more details. But, here is a summary of reasons to support a federal exception for rape/incest:
- The majority of Americans support a rape exception.
- While each case is different, rape/incest victims might experience an extreme amount of suffering from having to remain pregnant, or at the thought of permanently connected to her rapist by carrying the child. This can lead to a range of long-term harms to her health.
- While elective abortion IS always wrong, most people might find it difficult to get in the way of a rape/molestation victim who is determined to pursue abortion as their best option to escape whatever suffering they feel that an ongoing pregnancy would cause.
- Right now, babies conceived in rape are already getting aborted. Thousands of babies who WEREN’T conceived in rape are already getting aborted as well. This is already happening. ALL of those are tragedies. But due to the current political climate, the fact is, we can’t save everyone. At least not right now. We should try to save as many babies as we CAN and then continuously re-evaluate the laws and our social structure/systems to determine what changes we should support next.
- While the majority of Americans oppose late term elective abortion, they oppose strict abortion bans even more. Public perception has been battered by constant headlines about 12 year old rape victims and pro-life laws supposedly killing women, causing just enough doubt in pro-life laws, such that support for basic pro-life laws has weakened just enough, and pro-choicers successfully passed almost every abortion-until-birth ballot measure, and blocked almost every single pro-life ballot measure. This includes now FORMERLY pro-life states like Missouri and Ohio, almost passed in Florida and Nebraska. Even Trump backed off from supporting any restrictions because of his fear of having to deal with pro-choice backlash.
- These damaging headlines and stories will continue. The Democrats/abortion activists will not stop until they pass abortion-until-birth in EVERY state. In fact, even though Trump won, exit polls show that abortion was still a top issue for the majority of voters, and both Harris voters, and a minority of Trump voters, supported the abortion-until-birth ballot measures.
- Support for full abortion bans, without exceptions, is a death sentence for the pro-life movement. This calls for pro-lifers to toughen up and get realistic. What is the point of pro-life laws, if voter backlash causes them to be immediately overturned by state ballot measures, or to support a federal abortion-until-birth law (like the Women’s Health Protection Act). We need to start by supporting pro-life laws that will STICK.
- Trump won because of Biden’s wokeness, and because RFK told his supporters to vote Trump. In 2-4 years, when our collective memory fades, and voter needs change, the GOP won’t have that same advantage, and the Dem’s may very well enjoy a Blue Wave in the next midterms or the next presidential election… unless Trump finally agrees to stop ignoring this huge women’s issue.
- As you know, my proposal calls for a list of federal exceptions, enforcement against medical providers who commit medical practice/send high risk patients out-of-state, as well as a collection of pro-life concessions and pro-educational/awareness provisions. I believe that this is a law that will “stick” because it would address the top concerns about pro-life and pro-abortion laws in ways that Democrats would have a difficult defending against. The efforts to get more accurate, detailed reporting on all abortion-related statistics, as well as the huge educational efforts, would effectively counter-act the Democrats/abortion industry’s misinformation/propaganda campaign. If implemented effectively, it would take away the Democrat’s TOP arguments against pro-life laws (such as the harms to women and the lack of rape exceptions). And then, MORE states would feel confident/comfortable enough to pass pro-life restrictions without having to worry about backlash over the exceptions…
- Think about how DeSantis passed a six week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape (until 15 weeks), fatal abnormalities and life of the mother… Yet I have yet to hear anything but praise from pro-lifers for him. Likely, his support for exceptions is what allowed his abortion ban to stick… Also remember, the majority of Floridians actually did vote in favor of the abortion-until-birth ballot measure. 56% supported it, but the only reason why it didn’t pass was because Florida requires a 60% vote minimum… Think about this: what if DeSantis refused to support those exceptions? The lack of exceptions could have easily brought that missing 4% to carry that abortion-until-birth ballot measure to success.
- Rape/incest accounts for 0.5% of all abortions. As I said the idea of the rape exception isn’t to target babies conceived in rape. It’s to save as many babies/women’s lives as possible and stop Democrats from using rape as an excuse to abort the other 99.5% of viable babies.
- The high school awareness, and the 48 hour Informed Consent provisions, would help educate the public about fetal development, what abortion procedures are like and the woman’s options. This can help all rape victims realize that abortion doesn’t have to be the answer.
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Hi Ashley: I just got your request for a vote. I skimmed through this proposal so I have to read it carefully then I can reply but it looks well thought out. I am sure there are some gotcha’s. Being from California I am not for late term abortions unless the mothers life is in real danger. I have seen women wait till 8 months to decide if they are keeping their baby then doing the late term stuff. Early on doctors would inject a type of saline solution and the child would be burned to death and many were born screaming in pain then killed. I had a friend who did this and I was shocked when I heard what had happened she literally went through childbirth but the baby was killed in the womb. I have say for me there is no excuse to delay past 3 months. Your proposal of 15 weeks is generous. This is a really difficult issue but I believe your proposal is one step in the right direction. I am from California as well and I have to say there is not enough education at the middle & high school level to stop unwanted pregnancies.
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I agree with everything you said. For me right is right and wrong is wrong. There’s life upon conception and that’s the truth. The very meaning/definition of life itself is under attack. The underlying moral question here is: should we (the people) allow to pass the punishment by death (abortion) if your biological parent committed rape or parents committed an incest?
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Response to Valerie:
Not sure if you read the entire proposal, but that the last portion of it does call for a high school awareness class in which one of the topics is about teaching what abortion procedures are like.
I agree that elective abortion is always wrong and about an unborn baby’s personhood and right to live. Unfortunately, the majority of voters staunchly disagree with pro-life absolutism and our elected officials have not offered any other choice, or abortion ban, for you to support.
As we have witnessed, Republican support for absolutist abortion bans have only caused the anti-absolutist majority backlash to overturn those bans in favor of abortion-until-birth, and abortion numbers have increased. So that’s the irony. The advocacy of unrealistic absolutist pro-life laws is what’s actually causing more of these “murders.” I refuse to be complicit in such deadly sabotage. So whether or not you feel good about it, this proposal does not “support murder.” It is my best attempt to save the pro-life movement from itself, and save as many lives possible (women’s and children’s) within the confines given to us.
I’m sorry, Ashley. I well understand the medical system as my family is/was in it for a long time. Doctors are, contrary to your position, fallible beings, and it is ultimately God who heals. Doctors can only treat, and they are not, especially after COVID, trustworthy at that.
God has much to say concerning elections. You are trying to ride a line between life and death without a belief in God, and I’m afraid any policy considered without that entity being directly involved and its agency is likely to be unjust sooner or later. Simply put, we are too short-sighted and barely understand what is good in our own lives and why without trying to legislate what anyone else should or can do.
I didn’t read the proposal well that you made because the glaring omissions brought out by our further discussions here are irreconcilable. (and are what I was detecting as a problem in the foundation of your stated solutions) We aren’t going to share the same perspective and we aren’t going to agree on legal remedies.
One thing I’ll remind everyone here of is that Obamacare was supposed to be in everyone’s interest. It sounded good to many on the surface of it, but with hindsight, I think most of us can see that there was a vested interested that culminated in COVID and medical science in general fumbled that specific play in terms of integrity. That was what medical science brought us to, and not for the first time. The Spanish Flu before it in 1918 has an interesting history has has some eerie parallels. If you want women to have reproductive freedom, it won’t come about from the way you are stipulating. Indeed, from the perspective of God, all abortion is tantamount to murder in the sense that human beings are making decisions they don’t understand concerning the soul and body of other beings.
If your ideas were enacted as they are, a lot of good in humanity that came about due to rape would not be for women who “decided” to terminate their pregnancy. Again, God is in charge of all life–not human beings and certainly not government or states. That road is a ticket to regimes coming in to power and playing Herod.
For these reasons, I can’t vote for your proposal, but I admire your consideration of the issues at stake.
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i don’t care about political suicide. I don’t care about appeasing the lost. I only care what the creator says. Nothing absolutely nothing you say can change that. don’t bother to reply. It appears you cannot accept anything but a compromise to murder. No thanks not interested in the least. good luck playing devil’s advocate.
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Response to Laurie:
Separation from Church and State. And anyone who is knowingly trying to sabotage the pro-life movement (since you admit you “don’t care about political suicide”), to attack other pro-lifers just for trying to save as many lives as possible within the political constraints given, that is quite vile of you.
Taxpayer money should not be used for abortion, although Planned Parenthood is technically funded for “Well care”; if this continues, funding for pregnancy centres should be equally provided. Also, ‘abortion’ for the exceptions you mention is technically not considered abortion, and accounts for less than 2%(as far as I have read) of all procedures; plus the scare tactic of doctors not providing a lifesaving procedure has been a manipulation of peoples emotions. I’d like to see more of an emphasis on those aspects that promote the choice of life as well; i.e. more support of pregnancy centres in general. Your proposal is packed with a lot of things- maybe it can be divided up into a few proposals. Thank you for your effort and the invite to review it! Our country need more like you!
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Wow clueless. Separation of church and state means the state cannot interfere with the church. It was to protect religion. If you don’t know basic rights maybe you’re not a good fit to write an opinion. The only thing vile here is you: educate yourself before your go attacking Christians. If you’re not sure what is vile look in the mirror
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Also, there is no bill that can put together that will make both sides happy. I appreciate the effort but either abortion is morally wrong and should be banned or it’s good and should be allowed. There is no middle ground.
I know what side I’m on.
Response to Valerie:
Thank you, but please bear in mind that it’s not up to me to pass full abortion bans. Abortion bans are not on the table
This is not a “middle ground” or a “compromise” necessarily. It’s an attempt to salvage the movement AND save as many lives as we CAN.
And most people are quite pleased with the overall direction of this proposal. Even hardline critics are mainly focusing on one or two parts of it.
Cannot agree to this as written. The Supreme Court disqualified Roe v Wade as it was a flawed decision. The ruling did not establish an avenue for the federal government to make the rules, only the states. Those are the words of the decision.
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Seems like you still don’t get it. Perhaps my post bears repeating.
P.S. me pointing out that you are attacking pro-lifers, or that we do not live in a theocracy, is not an “attack” on Christians.
I do care about political suicide, because that means that we continue to lose thousands of viable second and third trimester babies, that we had a chance to save.
FYI- the MAJORITY of PRO-LIFERS support exceptions for rape and fatal/severe fetal anomalies. In fact, I just read that one of the Secular Pro-life founders (Monica Snyder) supports the rape exception. She discussed her reasons, as well as other pro-lifers’ reasons for supporting it, here:
Response to Mark Kennedy:
FALSE. The actual words of the Supreme Court say the abortion issue is up to “states” AND “Congress.”
The point of the ruling was NOT to prevent the federal government from enacting laws–it was to say that the constitution does not stop the government (state or federal) from doing so.
Read. This is a huge improvement on what we have been dealing with between Biden and some of his truly awful appointments - .Xavier Becerra and Kamala Harris are two of the worst (Just look up NIFLA vs. Harris and NIFLA vs. Becerra at justia.com if you don’t believe me.).
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We dont have to dictate this kind of a nazi idea buddy. This is exactly the kind of crazy that this very well written proposal is trying to repair.