Pornography Ban

Peace
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Being prude is not healthy.

seeing (partially) naked people who make love is nothing bad - certainly not worse than seeing people killing each other in films, videogames etc.

censorship like certain social media blurring nipples is rather ridiculous.

Film might show martied couples, too, enjoying some time and love together - just because it is on film does not automaticslly imply that it is morally wrong or promiscous.

children need to be educated about life and its realities. if everything is hidden from them, they will learn nothing, be clueless as young adults, and make grave errors, because they don’t know better.

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You are so mistaken lol just cause think you are not didn’t mean you aren’t. Some tolerate cocaine much better than others. There is an epidemic that people have no clue about

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Nah bud, youre mistaken. I know myself very well, and i trust others to know themselves.

Because the real epidemic we have is people trying to tell other people…adults, what they should or shouldn’t do with themselves under the guise that you know better than me of whats good for me.
And we do not need the government locking adults up in cages for filming themselves and sharing something that comes natural in nature. That is dangerous and so is many of the viewpoints here.

You don’t like porn? Good, don’t watch it.
If something doesn’t interest me, i don’t partake in it. I don’t try to rid it for everyone else.
And if everyone had this mentality, this world would be a better place.

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The problem with age verification is that it requires all of us to remove our anonymity with a govt ID and I am against this for many reasons. If an adult wants to partake in porn, I guess so be it. While I am personally against it I understand the rights of someone to be free to see it. I am against anything to do with underage children viewing it, or being somehow in it, so therefore, there needs to be parental controls here. Do not let your kids use devices where porn is available (have some kind of oversight or lock on the device of sites where it is available). We need to start parenting again like adults. Recognizing that pornography is detrimental to children (and maybe to adults as well), let’s have some kind of maturity about how it is consumed.

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Pornography is like heroin that is injected through the eyeballs, it will rewire anyone’s dopaminergic reward systems to the point of depression, stagnation and disassociation. If anyone believes it’s not addictive, ask them to try quitting. Like any highly addictive substance, it often leaves people chasing after a more potent high than the last, leading them down more and more degenerate pathways that can even result in sexually criminal acts. These are just a few points that come to mind, not even including the most important point- separation from God.

While the majority of casualties to pornography tend to be male, women also suffer not as the consumers, but within the industry through means such as trafficking and slavery. Outside of the industry, young impressionable women are resorting to a sort of online prostitution that will inevitably lead to depression, guilt and loss of honor. Should that be the legacy and image of an entire generation of Americans?

Porn is more “free” and accessible than ever and nothing in this world comes without a cost. Ban it.

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Those people get paid around the clock to entertain ,they love their job just as much as hippies like to protest for freasher and cleaner weed

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When pornography is present crime against women and children increases. We should do studies and figure out whether it’s really truly free speech or if it’s damaging to our culture.

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Perhaps, like so many things, we need to figure out the root cause of why people want to do this destructive thing in the first place. Then you don’t have to ban it because hopefully people won’t want to do it anymore.

Someone here is a clinician… Stacy Echeverria , StacyE64. I’m too new to this platform to know how to tag this to you directly, Stacy (if I may call you that):

What would you say is the root cause people view porn in the first place? Are there programs that could be developed to heal the issues that incentivize the porn usage?

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some ideas what might cause the want for pornography

  • many men have never the opportunity to have a girlfriend or wife. they are never given sex - or even a kiss - freely by any woman. so they are looking for a substitute.

  • touching each other has been demonized for a long time, which includes non sexual touch like a friendly hug. people are hungry for any kind of touch, even in the very cheap substitute that pornography can offer.

  • isolation - people don’t meet people. they are alone in their home, alone in their car, wear masks… and become afraid of each other. pornography, with no direct contact but a screen, seems a lot more hygienic.

  • there is not much of a common discourse how healthy, positive sexuality looks like, and in what context it is embedded. neither evangelical ideals of “purity” nor shows of drag queens in front of children seem appropriate to me.

now, with AI getting bigger… we provably can expect the issue to become even worse, as Robo Women will become more and more lifelike.

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Hi Jennifer, thank you for “tagging” me on this post. The most common issue I have observed in the three years of counseling couples that have this as an issue within their marriage, is that the men do not have a secure attachment bond. To summarize, “caregiver sensitivity, responsiveness, and consistency are crucial factors in establishing a secure attachment bond. Insecure attachment styles, such as avoidant, ambivalent, or disorganized, can develop when caregivers are insensitive, unresponsive, or inconsistent in their interactions with children.” Attachments are formed within the first 18 months of life. The infant/child then develops a way to self-soothe. As the child gets older, they learn how to self-soothe in ways that are unhealthy if they were raised by parents/caregivers that are unresponsive, insensitive, or inconsistent in their interactions with them.

What we need to understand is that porn addiction is not about sex. It is about connection. Many of the men were initially exposed to porn by a grandfather, uncle, friends, etc. at a young age, usually pre to early teens. These days they’re exposed to porn at younger ages around 5 due to the access to electronic devices, such as phones, tablets, etc. There are counseling programs available to help individuals struggling with porn addiction, and it’s not a male issue only, but a high percentage of women and teens struggle with porn.

I walk my clients through a Christian cognitive behavioral therapy model that helps my clients identify why they’re doing what they don’t want to do. There is unresolved and unhealed trauma, and they are coping with their pain in unhealthy ways. Once they are able to identify what it is, then they can work on healing the trauma. They also learn tools to help them stay on the path of healing and restoration. The key to this is to stay connected in community with trusted individuals that know what they struggle with to provide accountability and support. This will only work if there is acceptance of the person, no judgment, criticism, shame, or condemnation. I also have clients work through a faith-based workbook specifically addressing the unwanted sexual addiction. They get to the root issues, as well as developing an understanding of what is going on in their brain, which can be rewired to become a healthy brain where they no longer have a desire to view porn or engage in escalated behaviors. I love that the brain is very resilient!

All the work I do with my clients has Jesus Christ at the center of their healing process. It is vital that they also develop a relationship with Christ, and know the truth of what God’s word says about them by studying the Bible. They need to be anchored in God’s truth. I have been witness to many men be set free from porn addiction, and it’s nothing short of miraculous.

For those seeking Christian counseling around this issue, there are many good resources available. And there are many secular resources as well. Too many resources because this is a huge issue, but at least there are resources to choose from; we couldn’t say that 30-40 years ago.

The church has done a horrible job of addressing this epidemic head on. The purity culture created a lot of confusion around sex: don’t do it before getting married, it’s dirty, it’s bad. But then the couple gets the green light to have sex after they get married. It’s confusing! And no wonder many couples have sexual issues. We need to be talking about this in the open and have context for healthy sexuality within marriage.

If you’re interested, here’s a film to view (for free) that goes into what happens to young kids’ brains when they view porn: https://raisedonporn.com

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I would also add that the porn industry and sex trafficking (women AND children) are directly linked. Trafficking is modern day slavery. Why wouldn’t we want that banned? When people say viewing porn doesn’t hurt anyone, let me say that they’re absolutely wrong. The individuals addicted, their spouses, their kids, and the women and children forced into this industry are all being hurt. We all need to be part of the solution, not the problem.

Check out Exodus Cry: https://exoduscry.com/ They have films about this industry that are free to watch: Watch Our Films - Exodus Cry I’ve watched their features and series. It’s an eye opener to what is really going on. The porn industry from the 1950’s is tame compared to what it is today.

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A solution to this would be to require vice websites (porn, gambling, etc.) to embed a header that identifies them. Then it would be up to the parents to set up a router-level block on vice headers.

Very minimal government intervention (I’m sure the FCC already has the power), no internet IDs required, and much more effective than heuristic client-side blocking like schools do.

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Stacy, Barbara, thank you for the replies. I’m trying to compose a reply to what you’ve both said but it keeps being too long.

Stacy, thank you, you changed my mind on the ban idea also, by the way. Like most people, I suspect, my knee jerk reaction was that I don’t want the government deciding anything for me. We have the right… and all that. But that’s not proper thinking in the end, in my opinion, now that I’ve thought it through more:

We have all sorts of laws that stop our behaviors that harm other people and most people think those laws are good. For example, murder is outlawed. One person’s want to kill the other is not valued above the other person’s right to not be harmed. That’s very common sense.

Why aren’t we applying that here? As it is, we’re valuing our right to view smut more than the right of women and children to not be trafficked and exploited. Okay even if it’s someone who’s totally willing and not even doing it to get their drugs or an acting part in Hollywood (they trade that I’ve heard) or whatever other lesser exploitation than outright sex slavery, even if it’s honestly exhibitionists who want to do it etc. … There is not one single ethical thing going on here. Watching it isn’t ethical, filming it, doing it, nothing. There’s nothing mentally healthy about anyone involved either. And the money generally goes to fuel criminal organizations.

Even if there were some percentage of totally willing adults who aren’t exploited in any fashion, really and truly, far more importantly, they make a cover for all the people who are not willing and wanting.

The benefit (if there can be said to be a benefit when all it does is harm your mind, spirit, and relationships) of people getting to view porn does not get to be more valuable than human beings lives and the hell on earth they live through so you can watch them being raped. Even if you don’t know for sure if they’re being raped… this time.

Please ban it.

Thank you for snapping me out of that one. Sheesh I don’t know how I failed to see that at first.

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I’m so glad that my post was able to help. I appreciate the thought, time, and consideration you put into this. Sometimes it’s hard to see the other side, and I appreciate the opportunity to bring a different perspective because of the work that I do. This is how we have civil discourse: moving in curiosity, seeking to understand, not defending one’s opinion, but being open to realizing that maybe what we’re believing isn’t the way because we didn’t have all the information, and then having the humility to admit that. I appreciate being a part of this conversation. I respect everyone’s opinion about this; I may not agree with some of you on here, but I do hope that as we continue this conversation we can start to change directions on this particular topic. Thank you!

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now, in what way could you ban it without making the overall situation worse?

porn addiction will not disappear.
black markets - organized crime - will become stronger.

why not rather regulate it?

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The assumption is that banning porn will make the overall situation worse. I’m curious as to how it would. Please share how you think it would other than the black market/organized crime. On this side of Eden, porn will not disappear because we live in a fallen and sinful world, but we could make accessibility to it difficult for sure. Will black markets / organized crime become stronger…I don’t think so. If we don’t feed the beast, the beast starves. We need to end trafficking which is a primary supplier of sex workers. There’s so many levels to this.

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now… first… how would you define “pornographic content” that you would ban? is there any erotic content allowed, at all? would there be sone duscrimination by age?

visible nipples? tongue kiss? what kind of sexual practices would fall into it?

how about images and films in comic or drawn/painted form? no humans necessary for producing this

how about porn made by lifelike robot actors? AI films? no humans in front of the camera.

…,yes of course, black markets and organised crime will get bigger, as a lot of men are very highly motivated to get access to porn materials, and ready to break laws

if all porn is banned, the black market stuff will probably be rather more extreme - and more damaging - that vanilla sex depictions of the act that are easily accessible now.

I don’t like porn, I find it gross, but I don’t see any advantage in banning it.

just regulate it.

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No it doesn’t it encourages it

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While I think this should be treated like just another form of prostitution, I also think that this is something that the authors of the 10th amendment meant to remain regulated by the states. So whether its banned, allowed or just regulated should be kept at a state level.

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I grew up in a religion that equated 12 year old girls who didn’t cover their shoulders and knees to “walking pornography”. So, we talking actual pornography or subjective, religious standards of pornography?