Thanks for your comments. I see a potential existential threat due to their STATED political ideology of world domination for their “religion” - a worldwide Caliphate and Imperial Islamic Ummah under Sharia. No other religion has the kind of political agenda. It’s incompatible with the Constitution and protection of our freedoms. You don’t see it. No problem. We’re clearly not on the same page.
Graeco-Roman Christianity as promulgated (especiially after Constantine) was a new religion that was certainly a “political movement” designed to unite and save the Empire. The original Jesus movement of Ebionites (the Nazarenes; the Way), led by James after his brother’s death, was outlawed and by 600 CE was gone. Modern Christian students evangelizing on college campuses can hardly be compared to violent Islamic student jihadis. You’re reaching.
Islamic “renaissance” is an Islamic and British myth. They still allow and practice slavery for crying out loud! The 80% of peaceful “Reformed Muslim” need to take control and have a real renaissance.
Your understanding of the Jewish people and modern Israeli history leave a lot to be desired IMO (Their current internal battle with their own DS-Sabbatean NWO scumbags notwithstanding). Did you know that Israel bought every piece of property in Israel from their former Ottoman and other private owners before they were attacked by seven Islamic nations in 1948? I suggest: “From Time Immemorial” by former Lefty journo Joan Peters. She set out to prove the Jews stole the “Palestinian” lands and ended up writing the definitive book proving the didn’t steal a square meter of it (she looked up the original sales and deeds!)… and that there is no such thing as “Palestinian-Arab lands” or “the Palestinian people”, a shibboleth made up by Mubarak and Arafat.
I do appreciate your time and effort… but much is off-point since my premise rests on the acceptance of the idea that “Imperialist Islam is NOT a religion,” let alone a “religion of peace” but is a violent, geo-political movement whose goal is planetary conquest. IMO They seek to dominate the USA and every other non-Islamic country like they’ve already done to a great extent in UK, EU and horrifyingly in Africa. Ultimately, I believe they will fail. Sadly, that is the history of imperialist Islam; it is incompatible with our Constitution and way of life… If they, in a spirit of egalitarianism, are allowed to continue to hold local, state and federal office, there must be stringent checks and balances to ensure they uphold the Constitution or are seriously held to account since we know up front that they are “required” to lie under oath to continue to promulgate their agenda of conquering all “kafir” nations. Peace…
Kingdom of God? Judaism and Christianity? They all press for world unity and a unified kingdom of heaven on earth for the believers. Matthew 28:18–20 and Deuteronomy.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.
What? The Ottomans had dissolved 20 years earlier, the area was an Imperial possession of Great Britain called the Mandate of Palestine. Which Ended when Harry S. Truman removed hundreds of thousands of European Jewish Refugees from throughout the 1930s, to the Levant. No land was bought from the Ottomans, it was conquered after WW1 in the 1920s, in fact Imperialized, because Great Britain had promised their Arab allies a united republic, only instead to support a monarchy, the Sauds, to prepetuate a region of instability, division, and control of resources.
Also, the forced removal of the Gaza population, and the annouced territorial annexation of Northern Gaza is not a purchase. Israel could have used insurgent and black-op tactics to save hostages, instead it destroyed civilian infrastructure through effective new-age carpet bombing.
I see we have reached a road block too. You blatently ignore the foreign support in the creation of the modern state of Israel. Jews had free passage through the Levant during the 20th Century Ottoman Empire, It was only Harry S. Truman the gave the Zionist movement international support when they pressured Britain into ‘deimperialization.’
Your approach could no longer be defined as patriotic, and instead nationalistic. Dangerous ideas you peddle.
Israel must be held to the same standard as Iran or Hamas. The US has no place in a religious conflict between two religiously based cultures. Any involvement is imperialism, and detrimental to the longevity of our ideology.
We must agree to disagree.
There is, it’s called checks and balances, the Oath, BASIC LAW AGAINST DEATH AND ENFORCEMENT OF RELIGION, and our Right to Revolution. If the government is subverted and taken over through egalitarianism, than it is up to me and you to reestablish it in the name of egalitarianism.
They are already ‘legally restricted’ from taking the actions you speak of. If they wish to conquer the US, the only way is outside of restrictions. The restrictions you wish to implement do nothing to help the security of the nation or the longevity of our Constitution, rather only to further erode our values of liberty, justice, and freedom. The 1st Amendment protects against religious unity ideology, that you suggest we are in danger from. They could not transform our nation through egalitarianism without changing our government form through us.
Outlawing a section of Islam would be like outlawing a book in the Bible.
This could only work if you outlawed the books of Deuteronomy, and Matthew in tandem with Sharia Law, because they require the deaths of heretics, and the establishment of a ‘Kingdom of God’ for it’s believers.
You could not do that. Therefore the important issues are the reestablishment of Representation, and the apportionment of constituents and taxes in order to prevent the funding and creation of radical groups, and manufacturer legislation that is for the People rather than for the Few.
You don’t read my posts carefully. I wrote “FORMER OTTOMAN EMPIRE” and then you fail to actually respond directly to the point.
You also do not respond to the main issue: Imperialist Islam is NOT a religion, etc. It’s like allowing avowed Communists who openly state they want to replace the Constitution with the Communist Manifesto to be appointed to the SCOTUS (like we have now within the Corp USA). This must ALL GO DOWN. When they swear to uphold the Constitution, we know they are lying, don’t we? Tell me, if the imperial isalmists were to succeed in their openly stated goals of destroying the Great Satan and rape and/or kill your wife and kids and then they ask, will you: 1. convert 2. become a Dhimmi and pay the Jizya, or; 3. become a slave? You must think they are kidding…
This has nothing to do with Christianity, Judaism, Atheism, etc. since NONE OF THEM are seeking RULE THE WORLD by ANY MEANS necessary as are the 260MM IMPERIALIST DARK AGES Islamist. What does quoting Deut 13 or Matt 28 have to do with any of this since neither Jews or Christians are aggressively seeking to violently rule the world. Unlike the Imperialist Jihadis, neither the Jews or Christians are still stoning anybody… and Matt 28 has nothing to do with violent conquest. Jesus was a peacenick. BUT THE ISLAMIST STILL ADVOCATE AND PRACTICE IT (The countries where men and women can be stoned to death | The Week). What does that tell you? Are those Christians or Jews of whom you speak as seeking a “unified kingdom of God” stock piling weapons with which to do the unification, building homes with rooms to store and launch rockets, knifing, raping, grooming children, and teaching their children that the highest honor is to die a shahid and kill Jews… and then Christians, etc.? Your analogies are off point and simply don’t work.
You condemn Israel and seem to forget the fact that it was they who were attacked first by the barbarian be-headers of women and children on Oct 7. 600 beheadings in one day. You just blow off that kind of behavior by suggesting today’s Christians and Jews are no different. Weird. Whatever “spoils of war” Israel chooses to take are acceptable. That’s how war works when you are the victim of another country attacking you first. How many times has that happened in the history of Europe and elsewhere? Wouldn’t Hamas and Hezbollah (Iranian proxy armies) have taken ALL of Israel if their attack had succeeded? Hezbollah fired a thousand rockets on Oct 8. They had conquered and had been oppressed Lebanon for Iran over 20 years. The Lebanese Christians, Sunnis, Druse and Kurds are ecstatic by what Israel did to liberate them from their Imperialist Islamic oppressors. You seem to not have noticed. Thank you for your comments.
The Ottomans collapsed in 1922. You’re flat out wrong.
Yes it is. You are choosing to ignore the direct quotes from the Old and New Testament that I cited to prove my point, that being that Judaism and Christianity support and enforce the same values as Islam. Per the book of Matthew, and Deuteronomy.
How?
No, just like how I know the Bible and Torah aren’t kidding about the Book of Matthew and Deuteronomy.
Maybe read the passages I provided of each book above? It proves that your point against Islam is extremely hypocritical. Suggesting people are killed for their beliefs, and to spread the word to all nations and command them as he commanded you?
You’re right, they have missle strikes nowadays.
Yea, it’s the Western Society, and globalist organizations like the WHO and WEF and the forming Greater State of Israel. Or people like you suggesting we outlaw a practice in favor of the more ‘civilized doctrines’.
It shouldn’t be. The US shouldn’t support territorial expansion and ethnic cleansing. Your values are that of tyranny, assimilation, and religious injustice.
Those were Imperialist wars of gain, something the US has no part in.
Fairly sure the Kurds don’t have a state to be happy in. the Syrians are ticked off because Israel is occurring Sourthern Syria, and the government of Lebanon is pissed because Israel is bombing their infrastructure during a ‘ceasefire’.
Yes. I think you’re not understanding. Radical Islam is exactly what you say it is, but it’s still a religion, and it’s still a group of people. US ideology prevents me from supporting such policy to outlaw religious practice, yet I have a responsibility to uphold the values of my constitution, regardless of my enemies values. That includes their freedom of worship.
Communism is not a religion.
They couldn’t without conflict.
Someone else acting injust, is not an excuse for us or Israel to act unjustly.
They didn’t used to be, which resulted in the ethnic cleansing and forces removal of the Five Civilized Tribes, Native Boarding Schools, and genocide through small pox blankets. All undisputable fact. Yet, they (Christians) still had freedom of religion and expression.
At this point, you ignore history and obvious fact in blind support for a favored Imperialist ideology in the perceived defense against imperialism. It’s sad.
Without a return to Constitutionalism, our nation will collapse. Without secularism, our nation will be consumed in age old religious conflict. Without equal representation of innate rights and liberties, our enemies will siphon our strength.
The preservation of the one, ought to endear you to the peservation of the other. I may disagree with what you say, write, or preach, but I would die for your right to express it.
Having read rebuttal comments in this section, there is a fine line that separates “church” from State. The founders of this great country included religious freedom which acted as a draw for all people from around the world to come to America. But coming to America means that you will respect the laws of the constitution and assimilate into our culture and society, as our way of life. I find a sticking point when an American who converts to be a Muslim finds offense in being obligated to place their hand on the bible to swear an oath as opposed to it being the Quran. I understand the conflict here which is easily resolved by accepting that you are not in a Caliphate but the United States of America.
True… I misspoke. They had been buying swampland at inflated prices in “Palestine” since the late 19th C. It doesn’t altar the point that the BOUGHT not STOLE or appropriated anything. I stand by everything else, including the main POINT of my suggestion which is that Imperialist Islam and Sharia are a scourge of the earth and have NOTHING to do with being a “religion” of peace but are a violent imperialist political movement unlike Judaism, Christianity or any other actual religion today… etc.
You: Communism is not a religion.
Me: Neither is Imperial Islam… A point you simply cannot grasp.
Islam is a religion. You can’t dictate that a certain sect of it isn’t. It’s protected by our 1st Amendment.
Mark said it best.
Communism is a government form, of which certain versions of, enforced state atheism. Not the case for Indo-Chinese nations, who have LOTS of Buddhists. Yet is the case (state atheism) for the late USSR.
Islam is a religion. Abrahamic religions have duel functionality → as a religious government is a theocracy. The Papal State is/was a theocracy. European kingdoms used to be theocratic monarchies.
(you can call it the Levant, since ‘Palestine’ and ‘Israel’ are cultural identities of the same place)
You: But coming to America means that you will respect the laws of the constitution and assimilate into our culture and society, as our way of life." That’s what normal Americans think it means… not Imperial Islamists. They couldn’t care less what YOU or I think it means and, as you can see daily, they continue to show us so. It can only get worse unless we stop it. They continue to prove the point when they get into office… local, state and federal.
I would argue that the 80% peaceful Muslims qualify as a “religion” even though they have chosen to ignore the odious imperialistic Suras, etc. But I would also argue that the 20% - the 260MM - who still practice the ancient barbaric rites and writings are far too many to be allowed to continue to be identified as a “religion”. We may live in America but that has never stop the Imperial Islamists from seeking and conquering countries . With us, like the UK, they do it slowly at first and then gain a foothold in the government. They use the laws of those countries against the people to take over. It’s literally happening right now in the UK. Look what Khan did to London. Have you been there lately? Same with Macron in France. I know many don’t believe it can happen here. I pray I’m proven wrong… but I respectfully disagree. That’s what the Brits and French people thought. I believe that to be hubris and naivety. They actually do NOT "accept the fact they are not in the Caliphate. Their goal is to bring the Caliphate to us and make us parting of their worldwide Umah. Thanks for your comments.
At this point, you’re just ‘soapboxing’ about national security. Even if we agree about what’s occuring with our open border, it doesn’t mean I would ever agree about subverting human rights.
You cannot outlaw any sect of any religion. Period.
You make yourself look silly by repeating points about Islam not being a religion and how them doing what other religions have done is any different.
The US should never embrace such bigotry. Even in the face of an invasion.
You’re the type of person who probably would have supported Japanese Internment Camps during WW2.
I thought the constitution already outlawed the adoption of laws that override the constitution, which makes outlawing Sharia redundant. Am I missing something?
You are correct. But they have not recognized that Sharia falls into that category because they still see Imperialist Islam and Sharia as a “religion” rather than a conquering political movement… even though the Islamists openly state and actively pursue their goal of conquest. So, they leave it alone. It also fits nicely into the Globalist agenda of destroying the Constitution and our way of life and getting rid of us “useless eaters”. They believe that they can control the Islamists, use them as a hammer and then stop them whenever necessary. thank you for your comment.
It’s not about removing religion. It’s about removing violence. It’s also about today’s world. Muslim run Countries are murdering innocent people, enslaving them, raping them, not allowing women to show their faces, new laws don’t let them speak in public at all. Sharia law is violence. Christian run Countries are not doing these things. So that compare and contrast just doesn’t hold water.
Fully support this policy. Do not support secularism as understood by most in society to mean no religion rather than an indifference. That is also what allows violence and evil into the society. The intent of the policy is clear and explains why it applies.
All of you are supporting the subversion of Human Rights for the illusion of National Security. To outlaw the practice of a religion, no matter how you view it, is an unconstitutional tyranny, on top of it being fanatic bigotry.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” -Benjamin Franklin.
You must defend your nation with arms, ideology, and education. Not restriction, prevention, and enforced assimilation.
It’s called the Supremacy Clause:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This proposal is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and it’s redundant as stated above to have such bigotry and fanaticism implemented into law.
You must combat exterior ideologies with our superior ideology, you cannot fight their ideologies of Oppression with a subversion of Liberty.
You cannot choose what is, and isn’t a religion. Most people would probably agree pastafarianism is joke religion, but guess what?! IT’S THEIR RIGHT.
Understand, we are in this situation of ‘internal invasion’ because of interal actors. Islam didn’t open the borders, who is the real national security threat?
Here’s something for you to ponder:
You: " You must combat exterior ideologies with our superior ideology…"
Incredible naivety… and ignorance of what Imperialist Islam and Sharia are all about, i.e. CONQUEST. You’re a smart guy, but you are closed to consider the following as being a reality You really think people with an average IQ of 80-85 and a Dark Age mentality are going to want to dialogue about who has the superior ideology? They don’t even understand what that means… literally. Your suggestion only works with people who have the same moral and ethical ways of working out differences in opinions re ideologies… not with 260MM people who don’t give a crap about YOUR ideology and are willing to kill you to win the argument. Your Western idea is so far outside their life experience and ability to deal with that it’s laughable. And THAT is what you are refusing to understand or even consider, let alone investigate.
No, it’s that I refuse to change my values to combat people with worse values.
It’s not about discussing and changing their opinions. It’s about upholding our ideology, against people like you.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” -Benjamin Franklin.
We have guns for a reason, we have national guard for a reason, we have a military and nuclear stockpile for a reason. Let them try to conquer us. If not for people like you, our Ideology will prevail.
The Framers and Constitution warn against ideologies such as yours moreso than theirs.
Plus your arguement is very akin to American excuses for westward imperialism.
‘Ah they’re savages, uncivilized, unable to be integrated, better bar them from becoming citizens or having rights. They also must change their names and worship our God. While we’re at it, lets set up concentration camps for em,’
The 70+ voters for this policy support the subversion of the Constitution for a religious doctrine and conflict.
I do understand what secularism means Ethan. That’s why I worded it the way I did. The majority of people do not really view it as the true definition.
I fully support the policy as written for the reasons stated in the policy. The reality of what is happening must be looked at instead of trying to be nice. I’m sorry but the phobia and religious discrimination ideas are propaganda. There are times when it is appropriate to be afraid dictated by behaviors and what is taught. Being nice is going to get people harmed. If a book teaches people that they should lie to everyone in order to spread their goals we don’t base our decision on the lies but on what is being hidden and is harming people. The goals are incremental and the Countries which are led by the book are examples of what will occur. They are current not past situations.
It is about upholding the Constitution. I don’t believe a book that teaches people to overthrow governments is religion. I believe it is a war plan. That’s not ok.
I don’t support or believe in abusing women, raping women, making women sex slaves, murdering people because they refuse to believe in my religion etc. I don’t believe women should have to hide their faces and not be permitted to speak. I don’t believe women should be imprisoned because they didn’t wear a piece of clothing properly. The reality is this is happening in certain Countries and there is a book that is telling them to do it. That’s an issue that must be dealt with realistically. It is harmful to everyone including the people following that book not to call out the danger. So my stance on this issue is protective of all people. I will never support people who rape, enslave and murder or believe a book that tells them that is ok.
Currently a conference is scheduled to take place in Canada called “The Khilafah (Caliphate): Eliminating the Obstacles that are Delaying its Return”
The following is written by Dr. Antonio Graceffo, PhD, China MBA, is an economist and national security analyst with a focus on China and Russia. He is a graduate of American Military University
Hizb ut-Tahrir, founded in East Jerusalem in 1953 by Islamic scholar Taqi al-Din al-Nabhani, opposes the state of Israel and seeks to unite the Muslim world under a global Islamic caliphate, or khilafah. Over the decades, the group has expanded its presence to at least 45 countries, including Canada, the United States, the UK, and Australia. Despite its global reach, Hizb ut-Tahrir has been banned in many nations for promoting antisemitism and terrorism.
In promotional materials, the group invoked historical Muslim conquests and criticized Western “colonialist superpowers,” claiming the Muslim community (Ummah) must take political action to revive the caliphate. A spokesperson alleged the West fears the Ummah’s “latent strength” and dismissed the power of modern states, asserting the ultimate strength lies with Allah. Hizb ut-Tahrir, founded in.
According to a report by the Counter Extremism Project, Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT) seeks to establish a global Islamic caliphate governed by Sharia law, where all Muslims live under Islamic rule, positioning its Islamist ideology as an alternative to capitalism and secular democracy. The group employs a three-phase strategy: first, creating a core Muslim leadership; second, spreading its ideology to the broader Muslim community; and finally, achieving regime change through widespread public support, potentially facilitated by military intervention if soldiers adopt its worldview. Although HT officially eschews violence, its rhetoric supports jihad and endorses violence against Israel and Jews, whom it views as occupying Islamic lands.
The planned conference titled “The Khilafah (Caliphate): Eliminating the Obstacles that are Delaying its Return” fits into the second phase of Hizb ut-Tahrir’s (HT) strategy. This phase focuses on spreading its ideology to the broader Muslim community by promoting its vision of a global Islamic caliphate governed by Sharia law. Through events like this conference, HT seeks to disseminate its Islamist ideology, rally support among Muslims, and frame its vision as an alternative to capitalism and secular democracy. The conference serves as a platform to build ideological momentum and garner public backing, which is essential for the group’s ultimate goal of achieving regime change and establishing a caliphate.
HT’s anti-Western narrative blames Western policies for violence against Muslims, fostering a sense of grievance and victimhood among followers. This narrative, coupled with HT’s strict socio-political doctrine, has contributed to instances of radicalization. For example, a 15-year-old in Australia reportedly attended an HT event before committing a politically motivated shooting.
As a Muslim, I can assure you this is not true. The origin of this conjured term, Taqiyya, is a ruling that permits a believer to conceal his or her faith when under the threat of persecution or attack from forces hostile to Islam (Quran [Ch.16: V.106, Ch.3: V.28]). Because lying and deception are a grave sin in Islam, the word ‘Taqiyya’ connotes being ‘fearful’ and in fact conveys a commonsense notion present amongst all cultures and faiths – in a context in which someone is trying to kill you or others because of your beliefs, it is appropriate to hide those beliefs.
Sharia law, which has been misrepresented in media narratives, provides principles and guidance for Muslims to live their lives, such as marriage, divorce, inheritance, financial responsibilities, and most notably, interactions with the legal systems of the lands they reside in. It is also not coerced, nor does it supersede religious practices of non-muslims.
In Islam, obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty and a core principle. The Quran commands Muslims to remain faithful to Allah and the Prophet and the authority they live under: “O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you” (Quran [Ch.4: V.60])
Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(SA) stressed this point when he said: " One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority disobeys me.'’ (Muslim)