Deport all illegal aliens

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It must also be recognized that there are various psychological an dtribal behaviors on behalf of illegal aleins.

  1. They act entitled to our territory by virtue of existing.
  2. No one would say a white person is entitled to sneak into mexico and start changing the cultural landscape of mexico.
  3. Leftists claim there is an inherent right to migrate from other areas into USA or EU countries.
  4. Migrants believe they have that right because it is benefiting them to move, and once you can obtain an extreme benefit from an action, your objective reasoning skills go out the window. You will fight for what you are “owed” even if it isn’t true.
  5. The concept of ethnic whites being entitled by wnting to limit migration and ethnic POC being entitled to come into USA is based on both self loathing by whites for historical bad acts and Luxury Belief/Virtue Signaling.
  6. No one would say the ethnic germans had a right to poland just because they wanted to spread their culture and genetics around, but they took poland for that reason, aka claiming a right to do so.
  7. The leftists have not read any history and cant draw comparisons to the behavior of POC to whites in history.
  8. Any attempt to explain to them that POC are acting entitled to the territory of the “other” will argue that we shouldnt be tribal or try to defend territory on ethnic grounds.
  9. The same leftist who defends abolition of tribalistic separation is the one who promotes the welfare of indian nations as separate from others, Mexico’s identity solidarity as an ethnic group apart from whites, and palestine and ukraine as separate ethnic groups that deserve to live in their place without displacement by war or colonization.
  10. They call whites moving into mexico city colonization because it displaces Mexican culture and genetics.
  11. They consider POC moving into USA not as colonization but as a benefit to whites, despite displacement of White culture and genetics through such migration. A double standard is when you say what harms one group of people is actually a benefit to another group of people
  12. They claim that in history, the displacement of native americans and the forcible indoctrination into the white culture through immersive education by the government of the USA erased the culture of the native american people.
  13. They claim that the erasure of the white culture in USA through transplanting POC from across the world into USA and then immersive multicultural indoctrination is good for whites.
  14. The claim by the USA government that the immersion education for Native Americans was for their benefit.
  15. Thus, if you weigh the behavior, that an outside group is mass migrating in, that the change of endemic culture is supposed to be good for the “natives”, and that the natives must conform to the new, rising culture group in their midst, when it was acted upon against native americans it was bad, when it is acted upon against whites of America it is good, suggests that they view White culture as inferior, the same way that USA govt felt Native american culture was inferior.
  16. So in effect, Left-Whites, POC, etc, are all behaving exactly the same way whites behaved toward the native americans.
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These were not illegal aliens they as you said became legal citizens

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joe_tran:

I completely agree for now. I hope it has a real effect and that it’s not just a place for people to vent. Time will tell.

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joe_tran:

Yep, legal immigration is fine. My great-grandparents arrived in the late 19th century and also did so legally. (I thus consider myself quite fortunate.)

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Succinctly stated. Nice.

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Isn’t illegally entering America a crime itself?

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“Knew they would be deported if they came in legally”. Telling.

Show us a quote with Biden “openly encouraging immigration” that diverges from the statement on the statue of liberty.

We can sustain anything we want, we’re America. Immigrants are providing the government with waaaaay more tax revenue that the government is spending on any immigration issues. Illegal immigrants often pay taxes through payroll withholding, also sales tax, but they don’t file for benefits or get tax rebates because of lacking social security numbers.

Your argument is “big number scary”.

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Hello:

Under usual situations - yep. Though Biden/Harris, welcomed a plethora of migrants through the open borders that allowed the masses to influx the southern sector with open arms pretty much.

MAGA MAHA!

God Bless,

John German

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Ignoring your dismissive tone with the “big number scary” comment (we’re trying for civil discourse here, right?), nation-wide economics isn’t the only issue.

Impact on individual businesses matters. My husband had to shut down his construction / contracting business because he could no longer compete against companies using illegal immigrant labor at half the hourly wage of his legal employees. He employed only citizens and legal immigrants. So the illegal immigration wave has definitely affected US citizens - both my husband and those he employed - by undercutting the wage. His company is by no means the only casualty, just a case in point.

And on other related topics, a quick google search turned up a list of over 100 men, women, and children killed (and sometimes raped, tortured, and dismembered) by illegal immigrants. Those LEGAL citizens would not have been murdered if our borders were properly enforced.

And if you have been tracking the news at all, you’re familliar with the takeover of apartments in Aurora Colorado by Venesuelan gangs. I used to live in Aurora - it was a nice bedroom community to Denver, with a very low crime rate. Now gangs are taking over whole buildings… that’s an illegal immigration side effect. Same thing is happening in Texas.

Essentially, whatever rate of LEGAL immigration we allow, the ILLEGAL immigration of unvetted, and often enough lawless, people has to stop. The integrity of the immigration system needs to be restored. Those who came here illegally need to be removed.

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Brian is not presenting an honest argument.
Is a company using labor at an illegally low rate the fault of the immigrants, or the fault of the company? The left shouts this all the time, go after the employers. They have stakes, they have means, they’re easier to track.

Illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes per capita than legal residents. Your crime stats regarding migrants are purely emotional appeals from anecdotes - you can examine a legal population of the same size and see more crimes. Imagine making an argument that said “Georgians bring crime” if hypothetically the crime rate of people from Georgia was lower than the crime rate in your city.

So yea, when somebody just posts a raw number without considering what sort of ratio that implies, what a “normal” number would look like, or when they use a distorted time scale to bloat a number - that’s arguing from feelings instead of data. It’s using a big number to scare people into agreement instead of performing proper analysis.

And illegal migrants who commit further crimes get deported anyways.

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Good on everything except “16. 1. Churches and faith based organizations can provide food to illegals without prosecution, and these organizations can apply for a federal grant to subsidize their food pantries, clothing distribution, and basic need items provided to the public.”

I understand the humanitarian urge you’re expressing here, but I think it just relocates the problem. I’m ok with not prosecuting churches that run a soup kitchen or that feed the hungry on their doorstep.

I’m not ok with having federal funds directed to that because now you create a money-making market for collecting and feeding illegal immigrants and an incentive to bring in more illegal immigrants (to the country, to their community).

Churches can do a great job of supporting the people in their community.
But… you get what you reward.

If you give people free food, you’ll get more people who want free food.
If you give the churches money for feeding illegal immigrants, they will collect more illegal immigrants.

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Illegals suppress wages for middle-class and poor American citizens. I don’t care how much work they do or don’t do. Illegals drive down wages and, QED, need to be deported.

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I don’t care if illegal immigrants work hard or not! Do companies have the right to hire illegal immigrants by law? If they hire illegal people because the company pays less than American citizens? That’s a violation of the law! Isn’t that the same as China forcing Uighurs into labor, which the US government always condemns China for! Illegal immigration completely destroys the US government’s annual immigration program for the world that has been in place for many years! It destroys the trust of those who have applied for legal immigrant visas! It encourages hostile countries to take advantage of it and threaten the security of the United States in the future.

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100% yes. Deport them.
They broke the law to come here.
Their first official act in the US was to break the law.

That is NOT the way to become a citizen.
If all else they seek follows on having broken the law, we have endorsed the essential lesson that breaking the law is an acceptable pathway to getting what they want. We have shown them without any abiguity that breaking the law is the ESSENTIAL KEY ACTION that is the gateway to everything else.
If we want citizens to respect the law, to take law-abiding seriously as a CORE VALUE, we cannot reward them with everything they want flowing directly from breaking the law.

You always get more of what you reward.

We cannot reward breaking the law as the pathway to getting what they desire.

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I think there’s a disconnect here between the rate of crime per population and the actual number of crimes and the impact of the excess crime on real people.

For the person murdered by illegal immigrants, the increase in rate of being murdered is total. It’s entirely meaningless to them that the rate of murder was diluted by low-murdering illegals. They’ve still been murdered.

It’s not like those people were due to be murdered anyway. For those 100+ “anecdotal” murders, the likelyhood of being murdered - had the immigration laws been enforced - drops to virtually zero.

Dealing from statistics has a way of washing out impact on individual citizens. If the murder rate goes from 6.8 to 6.3 murders per 100,000, it doesn’t make the person murdered by an illegal immigrant 0.92 % less dead.

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I hate this idea. It’s colossally stupid. Many “blue” communities are cities that are surrounded by rural red areas (for instance most of NY state votes red even though NYC is blue). You would effectively be creating overflow that would seep into those surrounding red communities. You’d just be punishing your own people in the long run.

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Hello:

As per another comment I presented…

Biden/Harris, welcomed a plethora of migrants through the open borders that allowed the masses to influx the southern sector with open arms pretty much.

So, though illegal immigrants are showcased, many came through “legally” due to the open-door policy of the current administration. With strict borders, simpler to apply the wording of illegal immigrant and thus deportation should happen instantaneously or more proactive measures to keep those from happening.

Must have leaders who enforce the law to take the law seriously, as is, with modern-day Democrats, plenty do not respect the word of the law, because the leaders only respect the agendas (defund the police, BLM/Woke, etc.).

MAGA MAHA!

God Bless,

John German

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You’re right in the short term, but soon all voters in that state will have an incentive to vote red, making it eventually safer (i.e., at the next election). The issue of illegal immigration has been ongoing for decades, with no quick fix. If Trump launches mass deportations at the start of his second term, it could turn his presidency into a catastrophe. (Sorry if you live in one of those “bleed-over” areas. I see them as a necessary, but temporary, side effect.)

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I appreciate your comments. My only add here is that when people say, “We need illegals to do the jobs Americans won’t,” I couldn’t disagree more.

(1) Get rid of the illegals. Wages will rise, and more Americans become willing to do those jobs.

(2) Robots are on the near horizon. Once mass production begins, they suddenly become (much) cheaper than illegals.

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