Abortion Resolution

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In this topic I will outline simply how we can reach consensus on the issue of abortion.

In short, I am proposing a US-wide women-only abortion survey, where each State can, for the first time, hear from women residents.

Men must place trust in women with this, because men’s bodies do not undergo huge physiological changes in order to carry babies.

We must assemble a council of the leading women statisticians in order to set the survey questions. This must be a politically, culturally, and technically diverse team of statisticians from different States, who should remain anonymous. But they must be among the best (eg top-100 statisticians).

The statistician council will first agree on who they will seek presentations from in order for the council to hear different opinions (eg leading biologists, gynecologists, religious figures, criminologists, etc). The council will therefore have the opportunity to become fully informed on the relevant issues.

The council will then agree on the survey questions, in order for the survey to be able to fully encompass women’s abortion views, and also for the survey to be able to have practical application. The purpose of the survey should seek to capture how women feel - (the statisticians will agree, but just for example: whether abortion should happen at all, and if yes, under what circumstances is it permitted, up to what day/week of the pregnancy for each circumstance, what day/week if no complications, etc. additionally, what government’s role should be in this, if any. And any other purposes agreed by the council.)

The council should also seek to agree on who can vote i.e. intersex people’s and which ones, which transgender peoples, etc, and if including some or all of these groups would be statistically significant.

Once the survey questions are agreed, they must be released to the US population ahead of the vote, so citizens can do their own research.

We could even give women a national vacation day in order to cast their votes, if the votes must be cast at a ballot (i.e. if the statisticians agree an online vote would be insufficient), or indeed host the vote on International Women’s Day.

Once each State has heard from the women in the State, they will be able to do what they like with that information in terms of changing laws. But for the first time, women’s voices will have been heard.

Thank you.

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I agree that abortion should always be known as a women’s issue and thank you for agreeing that women’s voices should always be centered on women’s issues.

I am a single mom who experienced the terror of unwanted pregnancy, and joy of motherhood. I’m very close to this issue.

I have also thoroughly researched all subtopics related to abortion, such as polls, statistics, studies, the emotional effects of abortion vs. motherhood, etc and I put it together in one big super-detailed factsheet with all my links/videos. I also debunk all the widespread misinformation. If more people were nuanced choices other than full bans vs. abortion until birth, people would vote differently.

This factsheet could give you a lot of the insight that your survey idea would offer…. at least until MAHA accepts your survey idea, that is. :slight_smile:

If you wish to view that detailed abortion factsheet, here is a link to the google doc:

P.S. I also proposed a comprehensive abortion policy, called “Right to Maternal & Fetal Healthcare.” Would you please view it? Here’s the link: Establish a right to maternal & fetal healthcare & stabilize the abortion issue

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Thanks for your reply. I agree, I believe the abortion issue has been like an ace-in-the-hole for Democrats, and is the sole reason for the overwhelming trend of women voting for Democrat parties.

It is clear from protests and voting demographics that the Republican party needs to modernize its approach to this issue. In fact, I believe the situation is so dire that Republicans will not gain women’s support for any abortion legislation they put forward without first consulting the women of the country.

The common thread, that all historic protests on this issue have shown, is women want to be in charge of this decision. Women will not be happy until women have been a part of the lawmaking in this area.

So my argument is this: why not let women be heard on this by organizing a huge survey?

There is nothing to lose by doing this, and everything to gain. I think it would be an incredibly popular idea with the women of this country, and the results will certainly be useful in helping each State shape its abortion policies in the future.

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I don’t think that abortion is only a women’s issue. (I’m a woman). There are two bodies involved. In the analogy to slavery, pro-slavery advocates thought that black people were less valuable/autonomous/sensitive to pain/human. If slavery was limited to a “slave owner issue”, then good white men (the only other voters at the time) wouldn’t have been allowed to advocate for the other human being.

INSTEAD: Women need a better solution than abortion. We need to research medical solutions that cure pregnancy complications such as ectopic pregnancies. We need to invest in infrastructure that makes prenatal care, childbirth, and adoption affordable and safe. Abortion is a last resort women have been forced to choose because all the other options are not available. Better alternatives is the solution.

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I agree with both your points. I agree we need better medical research and I agree it’s not a women-only issue. But I would say it’s more of a women’s issue since it’s women’s bodies changing and being put at risk.

I disagree with your analogy. Slaves’ bodies were the ones being put on the line - not the slave owners. The slavery equivalent to what I’m proposing is having slaves take a survey to be heard on the future of slavery. You wouldn’t argue against that, would you?

Analogies aside, I do not see why women who make up 50% of the population can’t be trusted with recommending the laws here. Women are more involved in this matter. Women’s bodies undergo extreme pressures and change in order to deliver a baby. Men’s bodies are not affected at all.

The baby grows inside the mother and not the father. It’s “Mother Earth” - not “Father Earth”. That is why I believe women should be surveyed. (Men would still be making it law).

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Okay, so could we take a survey of EVERYONE involved?
Women - since it is their body enduring pregnancy and childbirth.
Fetuses - since it their body that is being prescribed medication that will kill them.

The problem is that the unborn human does not have a voice, whether in its 1st, 6th, 20th, or 40th week of gestation. Regardless of religion, the life is valuable and deserves human rights at some point before birth. If we presume that this demographic is not human throughout the entire pregnancy, people in the future will be disgusted with the atrocity that is elective abortive.

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You can’t survey a fetus. Just let women age 18 and over be heard.

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Honestly, I don’t believe that religion should even be a consideration, as this country protects your religious beliefs, and they should not be imposed on any other citizen. It is hypocritical for Christians to judge or condemn women when the entirety of the religion itself teaches not to judge and promotes forgiveness. The entire subject of abortion needs to be removed from politicians, as it is a medical issue and only affects the woman carrying the child. yeah, we can argue that a man may want his offspring. So find a way to let him carry it to term. I am prochoice but voted Republican because there are far more serious matters to discuss, when pregnancy is preventable. So maybe a more intense focus on sex ed. and supplying birth control options to sexually active teens and young women. I do believe that a woman needs to make a decision relatively early on in pregnancy to abort. Aborting a child that is about to be born, unless there is a medical emergency, should not happen. You have plenty of time to decide. Any later term pregnancy should be evaluated by medical professionals and left up to them to decide to go forward or not.

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Ashley, please forgive me for not replying to your email of Oct 19. I had a cough and got behind. The topic is not my area of depth, and I am best an interested observer at this point. I respect the discussion that occurred. Thank you.

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