Stop mandatory testing in public schools

This country spends $20B+ yearly on state testing. This expense is unnecessary and creates an environment where teachers end up teaching to the test instead of helping the students master necessary educational skills they will need throughout their lives. Who cares if a student can create a box and whisker plot if they do not know their multiplication tables, how to read fluently, or how to think critically?

The money being wasted on state testing and the associated curriculum (created by the same companies –which is a whole separate issue of monopoly and huge corporations fleecing school districts and controlling education) would better be spent on giving teachers raises and giving schools the monies needed for classroom supplies, projects, etc. Teachers need to be given the freedom to teach basic skills and have the funds to create meaningful educational experiences.

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Amen, sister, Amen!

Schools abandoned teaching decades ago and became sinecures for teachers.

Why not set up a system of randomly choosing and testing students; and if that testing reveals a pattern of teacher failure, fire the teachers and deny them a license ;to teach in any enviroment for the rest of their lives?

The primary problem is that there is little accountability for teachers; and in too many districts, unions protect those who are incompetent or performing below par. This system must be changed. In addition to dismissal for non-performance, dismissal should also result for teachers who inculcate students with political doctrines, whether overtly or covertly.

Electronics today are cheap enough, good enough, and effective enough that there is no reason not to deploy multiple cameras in every classroom and to record all classes. Those videos should be placed online on a school website (websites could be developed at the district level and deployed for all schools) where they can be viewed by parents, students (who might need to review the lessons), independent teacher certification boards, and other interested parties.

The next problem in order of priority is recalcitrant students who hold back class progress. Classroom videos (see above) would also show disruptive and recalcitrant students who should be removed to remedial programs and ultimately disallowed access to public education if they fail to comply and commit to learning.

Education should be a meritocracy. Every classroom should be constituted of students of more or less equal learning ability. Pay teachers who are proficient at teaching slower students more money as an incentive and reward.

Finally, run schools like a business is run. In business, money is the measure; but in education there is an amorphous, institutionally selected measure of success instead of an independent established value exogenous to the system, just as money is a measure exogenous to business.

It appears that the US is awakening to the failures of public education’s monopoly funding by government. Private academies will create a competitive environment. If public schools can’t or won’t abandon their acquired habits that have led to the obvious and documented failure of American public education, then they deserve to go our of existence and all those in them who created the malaise deserve to lose their livelihoods.

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I agree that teachers need to teach the skills for the class the student is in. We do need some type of testing to determine how well students are learning the subjects and can be compared on a state or national level. That way different programs can be looked at that have more students succeeding or failing. We currently have less than 20% being proficient or higher in reading and math at the 4th and 8th grade levels. We need to start using the test results to help get more resources or better teachers at failing schools and find out what the above average schools are doing that helps the students have better understanding of reading and math.

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I have a unique perspective as I home schooled my own children, but now work in the public school system as a para, becoming a certified teacher currently. State testing honestly does nothing but waste time and money that could be better spent on the students, resources, and better teacher pay. Many of the low-performing students are that way because many parents no longer take any responsibility to teach or prepare their children for school. They are being raised by electronic devices, video games, and social media which are all working to dumb them down. The curriculum does not help (Common Core is AWFUL!). Teachers know which kids are proficient and which ones are not. The teacher training colleges are not preparing teachers to do the job they are paying tens of thousands of dollars to learn to do. We need a major overhaul of the entire system, but it will probably never happen due to how much money and ego is at stake in the current system.

I think prospective teachers could take 2 years in community college, learning the subject they want to teach, then spend a year apprenticing–1 quarter as a paraprofessional, and 3 quarters under several different teachers. You learn way more on the job than you ever do getting a teaching degree. All prospective teachers should be given a Civics exam and a content exam prior to being licensed. Local school boards need to stop hiring those with whacked political ideologies to teach students. Get back to the basics in elementary school, then spend middle school on real-world skills (personal finance, business, etc), then let kids apprentice or start taking AP classes if they want to attend college. Which, by the way, is only necessary for 20% of the jobs in this country.

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There was a time when students were assigned to classes based on their ability to learn and willingness to do so. In the hippie-dippie ‘if it feels good’ ‘60s that practice was changed requiring ‘mainstreaming’. That practice adversally affects good students who apply themselves because teachers have to set goals low enough for the lowest common denominator. There is no reward for merit but those who cannot or will not achieve are rewarded with social promotions. It has ruined public education.

I, for one (who was in public schools in the ‘40s and ‘50s), think that the trend to break up the public education monopoly by allowing tax money to follow students to schools of their parents’ choice is the only thing that can save public education. Only by losing funding will those who administer public education be motivated to seek innovative solutions to attract students. The danger is that standards will be lowered even further to attract students; therefore, some standard tests will be necessary but they should be independently developed based on historical data and projected needs. Teachers and public school administrators should have no access to those tests and they should change signficantly year-to-year to prevent ‘teaching to the test’ instead of teaching to competence.

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I say it’s time to experiment and put academics and expert psychologists to the test. Run ethical experiments to see what produces more effective intellectual and critical thinking students. Eliminate things they do not need like Chemistry, Trigonometry, Calculus and so fourth. This is academic bloat for students these ages, and students barely remember it by the time they graduate. Allow for resources for them to continue learning after school and even after they graduate. Form multiple versions of academic experiments and academic styles and see which one produces the best and optimal results.

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I agree that school choice is PART of the solution, but the mandated testing is not. I come from the era before NCLB and I got a FAR BETTER education than what is being offered today. The teachers do not have access to the tests each year, but the companies that make the test create the curriculum that the schools use. In essence, we know what topics will be covered, so they rush to hit them all prior to testing in April. There is no time to master anything, you put your head down and ¨expose” them to everything. Common Core math is the worst thing to happen to education as well. It is confusing and complicated. We could teach math the way we were taught in the 70ś and 80ś and the kids would be way better off. The state standards are also pushing students to learn concepts before they are cognitively ready. For example, when I was in elementary school in the 70´s, we focused on reading in the 1st and 2nd grade, penmanship was stressed in 3rd grade (cursive), and we didn´t learn multiplication until 4th grade. That has all changed and 3rd graders are being taught multiplication (in an extremely convoluted way) but haven´t mastered addition and subtraction yet. Thus, they fall ¨behind.¨ We need to slow down and give these kids time to master foundational skills before moving on. There is so much that needs to change that I would have to write pages to express it all.

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My personal experience in public education was so long ago (more than 65 years) that I have no inkling of what today’s environment is. I do know that if you do not measure learning, you cannot manage the process . . . you cannot hold teachers and administrators accountable for results. Is there any other way to measure learning than by testing? If you know of one you are perhaps the only person who ever lived who does.

From reading your posts, the problem is not testing, per se, but is the curriculum, the teachers and the administrators who adopt and manage to the curriculum. Again, I am too far removed from the process to have any personal experience. My daughter finished public education more than 25 years ago; so even that proximity to the environment is remote for me.

My opinion is that education should be local, that there should be no influence or control from state or federal governments. Their role is to collect taxes and provide funding. Of course, I’m not naive enough to believe that they will do so without interfering; so maybe they should be eliminated even as tax collectors and funders.

What would you think of a system that required parents to participate in setting curricula, by law? Maybe if you have a student in the system, you should be required to participate. Maybe school administrators should be required, by law, to find a way to make that happen. Perhaps the problem is administrators. I don’t know the current statistics, but it’s my understanding that the ratio of administrators to classroom teachers is far greater than it was in the era of good, effective public education.

The part of society that is least changed by technology is education. If a person from a couple of centuries ago were to visit our time, the thing he would find least changed would be teaching. The changes he would observe would be mostly that so many are given educational opportunities, but the actual acts of teaching would be very familiar, except perhaps the legal constraints forcing egalitarianism to take precedence over meritorious performance.

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Do I detect a bit of tongue-in-cheek?

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I completely agree seeing that kids today are just not prepared to be in the real world . But they can pass a test ! We need to go back to teaching basics and real life issues to children of all ages and stop making them achieve goals on a schedule !

I am in the educational field. I was educated in the 70’s and 80’s, homeschooled my 5 children til they went to community college or to work, and am currently a paraprofessional getting my teaching certificate. School today is nothing like it was when I was a kid and certainly not like it was 100 years ago. Back then, they were learning higher math at a younger age. Today’s students are not taught to think critically, just pumped full of useless,non-essential to real life junk. They are also not emotionally or mentally mature enough for rigorous instruction because manybparents do nothing to prepare them. Much of our day is spent on behavior management and remedial instruction. It is sad.

Testing is a BIG part of the problem, teachers teach to the test instead of teaching to mastery of skills. There is so much useless info that the students will never use, but it has to be covered because it will be on the test. Testing does not show how well the students are being educated. There was a time when teachers and districts were trusted to educate students and they did a pretty good job. Many parents are not preparing their kids for learning…they come to school with no discipline, no respect for authority, and would rather be playing video games than learning. Many have no capacity to sit for an extended time and concentrate. There are many issues contributing to the problem, and there needs to be a major societal overhaul.

The problem seems to stem from standardized tests and that teachers know what will be on the tests. If that’s the case, why not randomize the tests so that teachers will not know what is on them? The first standardized test I encountered (in 1960) was the SAT. It was so new then that the industry around prepping for it had not yet materialized. Despite that, when I went to college and took placement tests, I placed completely out of math and English and did not have to take the required curriculum in those disciplines.

Do away with standardized tests. Find another way to measure teachers’ performance. Re-institute advanced placement at all grade levels and allow students to skip whole grades when they perform well. Forget social promotion and fail those students who can’t or won’t perform.

Yeah and it will help with our mental health as well by taking away stress.