No, the question of abortion has been turned back to the states. TRUMP WILL HAVE NO SAY.
The rest of my post was NOT incoherent. You apparently just don’t want to address my points. Don’t give the other side any freebies. Use them for purposes of negotiation. Make them FORCE you to compromise on rape and seriously medically compromised babies. When it comes to legislation, you ask for what you REALLY want, let the other side ask for what THEY really want, and then you meet in the middle. You never GIVE the other side what they want. If you give them rape and etc., then they’ll ask for something else before agreeing. That’s the way it works. And don’t make it so complicated only a few people can support it. Take one step at a time. Don’t force conservatives to say No to your proposal because it contains provisions for increasing the plunder of taxpayers.
In case of ectopic pregnancy, it is NOT an abortion, since it is done to save one life where both would die otherwise. The surgeon should remove any baby still alive intact, and place him or her in a bowl of warm water. Any other case, the doctor should seek to have the mother give birth. It is safer for the mother. If necessary, take the baby by Caesarean, but don’t kill. If the baby is actively killed, that is abortion. It is not needed in any of those cases. The baby may not be able to survive, but you don’t kill. Removing a living baby and giving him or her a chance, even if the chance is zero, is not abortion. I know some medical terminology would indicate otherwise, but for purposes of this discussion, we’re talking about legal issues, not medical ones. Keep in mind that in law, in order to convict someone of homicide, you have to prove two things: mens rea and scienter. Mens rea means the intent to commit a crime. When the purpose of the action is to KILL THE BABY, mens rea applies. When the purpose is to save the mother, there is no mens rea. Actively destroying the baby’s body is abortion. Simply ending the pregnancy but doing what you can to preserve the baby’s life means no mens rea.
This proposal does seem to meet the gap between reality and the public’s general and personal opinions on the subject of abortion.
It is, by nature, an emotionally charged matter, making it difficult to manage even a conversation, let alone legislation.
While I agree with these ideas, abortion is not a Federal matter. My concern would be that any involvement (beyond the typical and reasonable controls over healthcare in general), the Federal government is well known for “mission creep”. Perhaps this could be proposed at the State level, at least initially? Just a thought.
Thank you for such thoughtful and well-researched consideration of a very difficult subject.
I just think it is deeply unwise to try and bring this issue to the federal level once more. Abortion is a state-level issue now, I think that’s where it should stay and Trump has also repeatedly stated he believes this to be the case as well.
I do ageee with this to appease both sides. I’m an adoptive dad and I think there needs to be stronger funding, resources and education on adoption for both the birth mom and adoptive parents. If adoption is more of an option, maybe abortion becomes less of one. I firmly believe that all abortion is murder. According to the Word of God. That being said I also understand I can’t forge my beliefs on someone and demand policy be made because of something I believe when not everyone believes that. I do however think that abortion past 6 weeks should be illegal. I truthfully think it should be illegal at any stage but that would be my compromise. I think American tax dollars are better spent funding adoption and strengthening resources, adoption and foster care. This is a strong policy and working in healthcare myself, probably the strongest policy proposition I’ve seen.
Your problem is that you’re picking these things that probably happen less than 1 percent. And you’re saying we need abortion for these small percentage of situations, we need abortion until the moment before birth for crying out loud. If there is a legitimate emergency, no one is going to prison. That is just as talking point. It’s fantasy and you know it. Sorry, but life is life and these things are so rare and if they happen, no one will go to jail, you know that. This is the problem is that the pro-abortion crowd likes to come up with these rare things that hardly ever happen to keep it legal to kill a pre-born baby. Sorry, but that is true.
You did a great job with the layout, also backed by your showed research. I agree about the adoption process being too complicated, there are too many Americans that would like to have children and aren’t able. Americans should be able and also want to adopt children in America.
From my experience, I had my first son at 15. It was very hard but I was brought up to not only take accountability for my actions but deal with any consequences for my decisions/behavior. After being young and having a baby already, I was super careful after. Yet ended up pregnant again due to the guy I was dating unknowingly to me must have put a whole in the condom, or something. I was still young and not knowledgeable and called an abortion clinic. Their first words after hearing me were" the faster you get in here, the cheaper it is ". Of course I was broke raising my first son on my own, so I went. What I remember and disliked about it was
I was not told about any long-term effects to my organs or body.
Was not given information on alternative options. (Adoption)
Didn’t know anything about the process/medical procedure.
Was actually fed misinformation about everything that was going on.
I felt so dehumanized by the whole thing.
At the end, you’re supposed to stay for a while( I guess for medical reasons) but I didn’t I was in a hurry to get out of there.
End Result is after , it has definitely had an effect on my mental health. I only was able to heal through my relationship with God.
Although I can’t go back and change anything, it has been my driving factor in pro-life involvement. My prayer is for America to be one nation under God again, and there is so much work to be done. If God was our foundation in this country so much would be different. I do believe that had our nation as a whole not tried stepping back from God, things would change. That change has to start with educating our children, teens so they can be more knowledgeable and successful later on in life.
Debra: but, exactly! We need a law like this to TAKE AWAY the Democrats’ top wedge issue and the polarization.
OTOH, the widespread misinformation is still hurting women. Hospitals are still refusing life-saving, legal abortions- and endangering women. We need some kind of enforcement against doctors like that, playing games with women’s health for political reasons.
In addition, pro-life laws do not cover these exceptions, even though the majority of Americans would agree with them.
Yes, and in ADDITION to that information you needed, it needs to be provided well before the abortion. If given in the minutes before, it’s too overwhelming. Your mind is swirling. You feel rushed. Women should be given time to process this information. A high school awareness class, coupled with a 48 hour waiting period following this information, will help ensure that the decision is thought well through.
I agree with your proposal. I do believe though that choice abortions shouldn’t be free of charge.
People should pay for choosing to do it. Which would not incentivize doing it in the first place. Plus If insurance companies can place prices on people’s organs why can’t we do so with this situation
The money generated could go towards orphanages/adoptions, artificial womb research and distribution if perfected, or Lawyers fees for the aftermath of battling their rapist in court.
True, and thank you, and I’m assuming you realize that this bill would not fund “choice” (elective) abortions. I also included a section in support of adoption, for example, funding for legal fees for adoptions of disabled babies.
You are really making the case to fight for a constitutional amendment, to defend our country AND states’ rights to enact laws in protection of unborn lives. I would love for this amendment to nullify these abortion-until-birth ballot measures sweeping the nation. Unelected people, who aren’t fully informed on the full implications of a ballot measure, shouldn’t have the power to authorize the killing of other people.
OTOH, bear in mind that while the constitution does guarantee the right to life for ALL people, not just born people, even the “states’ rights” argument seems to only apply to pre-viable/nonviable babies, and even during the last 50 years, states were still allowed to impose additional regulations like the ones suggested here.
Trump would not be betraying his “states’ rights” campaign promise by enacting these changes.
I think there should also be accountability for a man and woman for accidental pregnancy. If a man wants to keep the baby but the women does not. I believe a man should be given the chance to be a father. But the father must be able to pay for prenatal care, etc. so the baby can grow properly. I think a women shouldn’t be able to have an abortion without notifying the father of said procedure. The father is as much the parent as the mother and should be given a chance to be as such. If the father can’t afford to take care of that child then the mother should be allowed to abort the child as long as all other requirements are met. (How many weeks along in the pregnancy etc.) I think there are way too many accidental pregnancies happening which leads to a child being neglected or malnourished/child poverty because of negligence in preventing unwanted pregnancy.
I also think there should be legal penalties for trying to trap a man into child support/alimony by getting pregnant, either by lying about being on birth control, poking a hole in the condom, etc. Penalties should consist of loss of custody, mandatory tubes being tied, jail time, money being awarded, charged with rape, etc.
Under the definition of rape should also consist of a woman intentionally lying/sabotaging birth control materials for the motive of getting pregnant to trap the father in getting child support/alimony.
If a man rapes a woman he should be forced to be chemically castrated or make it where he can no long get an erection (If that’s even possible.)
Just to be consistent with your ideas, then when a man impregnates a woman against her will with an unwanted pregnancy, as evidenced by her having an elective abortion, then that would be rape, too, (to be consistent with your ideas) and he should then be chemically castrated, face jail time, fines and lose custody of his other children (again to be consistent with your idea of accountability).
No one has a right to irresponsible sex, for the same reason no one has a right to kill unborn babies. Access to elective abortion isn’t a “get out of jail” card for times in when’s a man’s impregnation efforts were successful. If people were taught that, there would be no elective abortion.
I agree with that. It goes both ways absolutely. I think men and women both need to take more responsibility for their actions especially when it comes to accidental pregnancy. And both men and women should be held responsible for rape in all forms. I feel our legislation as it is now is too soft. These are innocent babies who do deserve to live in the best environments possible. They aren’t pawns and adults should be held to a higher standard than they are now. Our babies deserve the best from us. We as Americans should have a high standard especially when it comes to our babies so it’s time to step up our standards and for people who keep playing with these babies lives should also face high consequences.
Well, since it’s not practical or popular to support such extreme measures against such parents, we should just basically teach young people to take responsibility for the children they create. We need to teach the fact that SEX = REPRODUCTION. Sex/reproduction is just the first part of the impregnation process. It is terrible for anyone to knowingly sabotage the birth control, but either way, no method is 100% effective at blocking the impregnation process. It is not responsible to participate in the impregnation process if your back-up solution is to abort the baby when you knowingly risked creating in the first place, or to try to coerce your partner into aborting the baby just because your impregnation efforts were successful. No one has this right to irresponsible sex or to exploit women’s bodies and expect that a condom waives your parental responsibilities for a child that you enthusiastically created.
Yes I realize that it doesn’t. I believe they should pay out of pocket for choice abortions. And we should put that funding towards areas to deter others from abortions.
1.Like making contraceptives free (prevention for lower income people so they don’t have an excuse to not use it)
2.Upgrading the orphanage and adoption system (prevents the I don’t trust the government raising my kid excuse, or the I don’t want them being abused excuse)
3. Creating and distributing artificial wombs (prevents the it will ruin my body excuse)
A detailed analysis. And I can agree on any number of points.
But, I want a smaller Federal foot print (heel actually) over our lives. Even your ‘small’ Federal proposal, like so many other’s, will eventually swell, have amendments, exceptions, exemptions and any number of obfuscating ‘remedies’. Not to mention the, largely wasted, Federal Tax dollars, yours and mine, spent on legislative and legal issues. Dollars to fund yet more bureaucracy to enforce Federal regulations et al.
In my view, it’s a State issue. I don’t necessarily like the craziness the Blue States might be doing. But if people want to live and vote to support leftist policies in that environment, so be it. Same for those States that would enable tougher laws.
This is so well prepared and so well written! I voted for it, because I believe it really tries to respect a lot of peoples’ different feelings and opinions, while still protecting both sides simultaneously!! I think it’s brilliant! I too am a Christian mother of 3. I am definitely pro-life, but I am also very understanding and very compassionate, and GOD is greater than that!!! So imagine how full of grace and mercy He is for each and every one of us!