President shall not be able to pardon a family member

Unfortunately this premise is difficult with large and extended families, the government would have to both track bloodlines and consider in-law members. Personally I do not enjoy this truth and wish it was simpler but this is a very slippery slope with government surveillance in family life.

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I searched Amazon and couldn’t find a Biden Puppet….it’d make great holiday gift!

check ebay for the sleepy joe biden pencil holder, there’s a fauci one too. Can’t post an image or they’ll kick me off this site!

There should also be NO blanket Pardons…it should be very specific as to why they deserve it. Also no pardoning your political party because you know they’ve done something wrong and you don’t want them to pay for their crimes when an upcoming administration comes in… Working for the government shouldn’t entitle anyone to a free pass to break the law…no one should get special treatment

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If you can give blanket pardons for the past why can’t you give blanket pardons for the future? How do we know Trump won’t pardon himself I mean he should be able to he should be able to give himself a blanket pardon for the future and everybody else a blanket pardon for the past. You see Democrats the sort of justice is double-edged and it swings both ways. The best thing we can do is take away the power of the presidential pardon. Because it was intended to pardon someone who’s been convicted it was not intended as a cover for coworkers family members business associates and Friends. So yeah we really just need to take the power of the pardon away from the president because of obviously going to abuse it.

See President shall not be able to pardon a family member - #22 by DiveMaster

@CHarris Good question! I suppose it’s possible a President would draft a pardon to attempt future immunity— and the Supremes might endorse it. However, the Court has already ruled a couple of times to make the context of pardons apply to past offenses.

So on day one a president could write pardons for everyone in his/her administration but date the pardons for his last day in office. If these Biden pardons stand then the whole federal government is potentially above the law because the president can pardon his whole government for anything the may have done known or unknown. This has to go to the SC to get the guard rails set.

You use the word may, well I say yes but in certain circumstances maybe not and maybe not that broad and maybe not that preemptive. This has to be one for the SC. Biden has decided to push the boundary, has he pushed too far.

@Welshpatriot63

Yes, true.

Now that the polarization of politics has seemingly permeated all of society and the weaponized DOJ and AGs can threaten any government person, elected or appointed, with jail time after service then post-dated pardons seem practical.

I was not supporting this just pointing out where this can lead. A possible next iteration and it would mean that the Whole Government is above the law. Perhaps one way to fix this would be that the president cannot pardon a co-conspirator before a charge and conviction. Hunter could not be pardoned for crimes he has not been charged and convicted of, that Joe Biden was also involved in and that would also exclude pardoning any of his government workers who might have been doing his bidding before they have been charged and convicted. Seems that this would be a good decision from the SC.

Perhaps another good question for SC. Can you preemptively pardon a co-conspirator in a crime you are a party to.

Pardoned individuals can be forced to testify!

"The purpose of a pardon is to correct a miscarriage of justice, not to prevent future judicial action. On its surface a preemptive pardon is obviously absurd when there has been no conviction or even an indictment.

How can a President pardon crimes he does not even know about?"

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Our current pardon mania (and abuse) is a symptom of the polarized politics and weaponized justice system we have today. That’s my regret.

The Supremes have ruled that the President has a wide latitude and, yes, they have defined pardons as an immunity against future prosecution for past offenses.

We can debate the proper definition of the word pardon, but you and I expect to be “pardoned” regularly— before we are charged with a crime. Think about the selective enforcement of not getting pulled over for going 36 MPH in a 35.

Trump didn’t pardon himself during his last term…Biden pardoned his whole crime family…the pardon is for wrongly convicted individuals not to give them a get out of jail free card …that’s an injustice… pardons don’t need to be taken away…just modified for the use intended